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taylortactical 11-04-2012 12:17

Thoughts on a concealed carry weapon
 

SCmasterblaster 11-04-2012 12:39

Good choice! I carry a G17! :cool:

Lior 11-04-2012 13:34

He advocates the use of the mind more than selecting a particular gun IMO - kudos to him.

SCmasterblaster 11-04-2012 14:04

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Originally Posted by Lior (Post 19590664)
He advocates the use of the mind more than selecting a particular gun IMO - kudos to him.

That's right. We should use our heads before, during, and after a defensive shooting.

LASTRESORT20 11-04-2012 14:19

Great video....nice choice.....

4Rules 11-04-2012 16:49

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Brutus Fullman 11-04-2012 18:16

hmmmm... lots to think about here: high chance of facing two assailants, statistical probability of missed shots... both speak in favor of high capacity 9mm but whre are the figures on how many shots are actually fired in a civilian (rather than law enforcement officer) self-defense situation? I recall reading that a high percentage of assailants, seeing their intended victim's gun, high-tail it before any shots are fired. I'm still no convinced that 9mm is the way to go.

Louisville Glocker 11-04-2012 18:48

Nice video. I fully respect his opinions. I usually opt for less rounds, with a G26, but for me, concealability is critical. I do have a G19 and G30 as well.

cowboy1964 11-04-2012 19:10

Too bad he doesn't have any actual stats on how often more than 10 rounds are needed. I'd be willing to guess it's < 1%. Yet his most important factor appears to be capacity.

I'm fine with 9 but come on, let's not get silly. Capacity is NOT the main reason to go with a 9, IMO. It's a bonus, not a reason.

SCmasterblaster 11-04-2012 19:39

I am glad I have 17 9mm rounds in my G17
 
and no, I don't expect to need all 17 of them, But, we have all heard the horror stories about the drug-crazed felons who soak up the bullets, large or small.

unit1069 11-04-2012 20:30

Here are my thoughts on the subject:

There is no substitute for absolute gun/ammo reliability; so carry a weapon loaded with quality JHP self-defense ammo that always fires when you pull the trigger.

Most civilian self-defense shootings are at close range with 3-5 shots expended. Capacity is a great thing especially considering multiple assailants, but if after 8-10 rounds trying to stop the threat one or more of the determined perps will probably have managed to successfully target the lone defender. Reloading at this point seems to be a pipe dream for the typical untutored civilian like me.

When I visit the shooting range the first thing I do is shoot my carry ammo rapid fire in 2-shot, 3-shot, and 5-shot burst from the cold pistol to satisfy the gun/ammo reliability. This doesn't guarantee things will always go as designed (there are never any guarantees) but it does provide a real world test protocol and provides a great amount of reassurance that if I do my part the chosen apparatus will do it's part.

cowboy1964 11-05-2012 08:44

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19591908)
and no, I don't expect to need all 17 of them, But, we have all heard the horror stories about the drug-crazed felons who soak up the bullets, large or small.

Tiny, TINY, percentage. And who is to say that a larger bullet would not help? It certainly might as the total wound volume would be drastically increased with so many hits.

Again, capacity is a bonus. No one ever complains about having too many bullets. But I don't pick 9's because it carries 1 or 2 more rounds than the .40.

gadgetnut259 11-05-2012 12:29

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Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19592141)
Most civilian self-defense shootings are at close range with 3-5 shots expended...

Actually, in the vast majority of civilian self-defense shootings, the number of shots fired is 1.

SCmasterblaster 11-05-2012 13:01

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Originally Posted by gadgetnut259 (Post 19593859)
Actually, in the vast majority of civilian self-defense shootings, the number of shots fired is 1.

Really? Just one shot? I wouldn't rely on a single shot unless it was to the forehead.

mj9mm 11-05-2012 13:17

one, run and done?:cool:

gadgetnut259 11-05-2012 13:19

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19593990)
Really? Just one shot? I wouldn't rely on a single shot unless it was to the forehead.

Yeah, I did some research on this about a year ago for a project. Of three fairly extensive studies, a single shot was fired way more than any other number. Kinda surprised me too.

SCmasterblaster 11-05-2012 16:22

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Originally Posted by gadgetnut259 (Post 19594044)
Yeah, I did some research on this about a year ago for a project. Of three fairly extensive studies, a single shot was fired way more than any other number. Kinda surprised me too.

Are LEOs taught to fire only once?

taylortactical 11-05-2012 18:09

Than you very much for your thooughts !!
Have you ever trained in Force on Force? ... Also, I am not aware of a case more bullets wouldn't be a plus..... A gun fight is a worse case scenario to begin with.

gadgetnut259 11-05-2012 19:08

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19594703)
Are LEOs taught to fire only once?

I have no idea. My research was on civilians who discharged their weapon in self defense or in the defense of someone else.

Angry Fist 11-05-2012 19:13

I grabbed the most versatile handgun there is.

The G20.

A6Gator 11-05-2012 20:20

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster (Post 19594703)
Are LEOs taught to fire only once?

Shoot to stop the threat.

taylortactical 11-06-2012 08:49

Let me shoot at you with an airsoft gun and lets see what kind of sight poicture you get.....Like everybody you will run and shoot back at me as fast as you can , as much as you can--I promise!

SCmasterblaster 11-07-2012 10:14

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Originally Posted by A6Gator (Post 19595609)
Shoot to stop the threat.

Well I am changing over to .40 ASAP!

ithaca_deerslayer 11-09-2012 18:55

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964 (Post 19591798)
Too bad he doesn't have any actual stats on how often more than 10 rounds are needed. I'd be willing to guess it's < 1%. Yet his most important factor appears to be capacity.

I'm fine with 9 but come on, let's not get silly. Capacity is NOT the main reason to go with a 9, IMO. It's a bonus, not a reason.

Main reason is the knockdown power :)

SCmasterblaster 11-13-2012 19:57

Why does this myth of knockdown power live on? No handgun bullet is going to physically knock someone down. The laws of physics requires that the shooter be also knocked down from the recoil. Handguns do not shoot bowling balls.


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