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Brooklyn123456 10-14-2012 19:32

Another 9 mm Gold Dot 124 Grain +p Shooting in Brooklyn
 
Police Shoot Suspected Car Thief After Chase In Williamsburg Updated October 12, 2012 4:29pm

BROOKLYN — Police officers shot and critically wounded a suspected car thief in Williamsburg on Thursday night after he opened fire on cops, police said.

The mayhem unfolded around 11:30 p.m. after Dahan Sam, 29, was pulled over for having expired plates on what was later discovered to be a stolen SUV, then sped away, police said.

The officers sent out a description of Sam and a sergeant spotted him walking with another man nearby, police said Friday. The sergeant flagged down a nearby police car and directed those officers toward Sam, according to officials. The two men bolted when police approached, officials said.

A group of officers chased Sam into the Williams Plaza Houses at 255 Havemeyer St., where he tried to climb over a fence, but tripped, police said.

That's when Sam drew a 9 mm handgun, police said.

"I heard a bunch of cops yelling, 'Drop your weapon,'" said Danny Soto, 35, who lives in the housing complex. “It was like out of a movie."

Sam allegedly fired twice, prompting the officers to unleash nine shots — seven from one officer's weapon and two from another's — all within a range of 4 to 8 feet, police said.

Another witness from the building said he heard the shooting, ran outside and saw Sam lying on his stomach wearing a gray hoodie.

"It looked like he was in pain," said Aaron Kinard, 24. "He was moaning. They took off all his clothes and were checking his body and legs." The suspect was still moving and breathing when he was taken away, Kinard said.

Sam was rushed to Bellevue Hospital where he was listed in critical condition, police officials said.

Sam's gun was purchased in North Carolina, according to police.

The second man Sam had been walking with remains at large because the officers chasing him changed course when they heard the shots fired, police said.

None of the officers was injured in the encounter, officials said.

The shooting came on the heels of an annual NYPD report that said the number of times police fired their weapons at suspects remained low in 2011.

beforeobamabans 10-14-2012 19:45

Interesting that two trained police officers firing from a range of only 4-8 feet, could not kill the perp with nine shots.

G26AZ 10-15-2012 08:43

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 19518943)
Interesting that two trained police officers firing from a range of only 4-8 feet, could not kill the perp with nine shots.


It all depends on the shot placement. It doesn't how many of the 9 shots , or where.000

TK-421 10-15-2012 08:52

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 19518943)
Interesting that two trained police officers firing from a range of only 4-8 feet, could not kill the perp with nine shots.

As far as I know, most police officers are only required to train twice a year, so that's how often they train. That, factored in with adrenaline out the ass and someone shooting at you, they're not going to be perfect every time, so it's understandable that they weren't perfect.

Should look up the officers and see how many times they've had to use their firearm in the line of duty before, I bet it's either none, or once before.

hunter won 10-15-2012 09:43

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 19518943)
Interesting that two trained police officers firing from a range of only 4-8 feet, could not kill the perp with nine shots.

The 9mm +P Gold Dot did the job. It kept the bad guy down for the count.

Chuck54 10-15-2012 10:15

Thinking my accuracy might not be too good if the bad guy got the first two shots off at 4-8 feet.

ggarciatx 10-15-2012 13:56

don't forget.............
 
that they are fighting that forsaken heavy 12 pound New York Trigger setup in their Glocks.

SCmasterblaster 10-15-2012 18:43

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Originally Posted by ggarciatx (Post 19520935)
that they are fighting that forsaken heavy 12 pound New York Trigger setup in their Glocks.

That's right. I have forgotten about that. :upeyes:

RYT 2BER 10-15-2012 19:07

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Originally Posted by G26AZ (Post 19520202)
It all depends on the shot placement. It doesn't how many of the 9 shots , or where.000

I disagree... Someone gets hit with 9 10mm bullets, shot placement isn't going to matter much because by that point the bad guy would have disintegrated. :whistling:

BamaTrooper 10-15-2012 20:11

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Originally Posted by beforeobamabans (Post 19518943)
Interesting that two trained police officers firing from a range of only 4-8 feet, could not kill the perp with nine shots.

Isn't the survival rate on handgun wounds at around the 80% rate?

unit1069 10-15-2012 20:26

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Originally Posted by BamaTrooper (Post 19522174)
Isn't the survival rate on handgun wounds at around the 80% rate?

That's my understanding also.

Aside from that, four seasoned NYPD undercover officers cornered Amadou Diallo in a doorway and when they thought he was reaching for a gun they only managed to hit him 19 times out of 41 shots. In a narrow doorway!

So should the NYPD throw away their G-17 pistols and 124-grain Gold Dot +P ammo and what the Diallo detectives were carrying?

We know the answer to that because we know there is no "magic bullet" or "always perfect" shots under extreme duress. Mas Ayoob, in one of his articles, wrote of an LEO who chased a fleeing suspect at night only to be ambushed from the side of a garage. The LEO/suspect were at arms length firing away with neither able to hit the other until the officer remembered "acquire a sight picture".

Real world events don't follow strict science or scripts so the best advice is to maintain your self-defense weapon at the highest level and to keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.

SCmasterblaster 10-16-2012 18:45

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Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19522218)
That's my understanding also.

Aside from that, four seasoned NYPD undercover officers cornered Amadou Diallo in a doorway and when they thought he was reaching for a gun they only managed to hit him 19 times out of 41 shots. In a narrow doorway!

So should the NYPD throw away their G-17 pistols and 124-grain Gold Dot +P ammo and what the Diallo detectives were carrying?

We know the answer to that because we know there is no "magic bullet" or "always perfect" shots under extreme duress. Mas Ayoob, in one of his articles, wrote of an LEO who chased a fleeing suspect at night only to be ambushed from the side of a garage. The LEO/suspect were at arms length firing away with neither able to hit the other until the officer remembered "acquire a sight picture".

Real world events don't follow strict science or scripts so the best advice is to maintain your self-defense weapon at the highest level and to keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.

I AGREE! :cool:

1smoothredneck 10-18-2012 19:12

Front Sight. Smooth roll/press of the trigger. Repeat as necessary. Good guys all upright. Bad guy horizontal. Sounds Good To Me.

Tiro Fijo 10-18-2012 20:23

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Originally Posted by unit1069 (Post 19522218)
...Aside from that, four seasoned NYPD undercover officers cornered Amadou Diallo in a doorway and when they thought he was reaching for a gun they only managed to hit him 19 times out of 41 shots. In a narrow doorway!...


A little over 46% is a superb hit ratio!!! :wavey: Trust me.

Glock19Fan 10-19-2012 02:36

I can almost guarantee 90 percent of the shots fired were not with bodies "squared" up to the target.

Even so, you would seriously be amazed at how many shots can be taken before going down. Especially with the popularity of opiates these days.

SouthernBoyVA 10-19-2012 05:56

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Originally Posted by RYT 2BER (Post 19521911)
I disagree... Someone gets hit with 9 10mm bullets, shot placement isn't going to matter much because by that point the bad guy would have disintegrated. :whistling:

Good little piece of humor. Of course, that would never happen.

DonGlock26 10-19-2012 15:42

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn123456 (Post 19518909)
"It looked like he was in pain," said Aaron Kinard, 24. "He was moaning.

Hmm. http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j5...ee/coffee1.gif

SCmasterblaster 10-19-2012 21:47

Well if you point a gun at police, one can expect to get shot.


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