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Reconinforce 10-10-2012 21:16

Taking Glock 19 to Front Sight Training...?
 
Anybody who has attended the 4 day defensive handgun training Front Sight school in NV please chime in.

Assuming fundamentals are in place and I am well practiced with my weapon will a G19 be at a big disadvantage compared to the other firearms brought to the class?

I am hoping to attain a distinguished graduate level but am wondering if I should try and work out bringing a larger frame glock instead.. (of course I would be equally practiced with a different model if I changed over..)

Let me know what you think. I know they shoot out to 15 yards at times but not sure how the detailed the accuracy gets in the scoring.

Thanks!

SJ 40 10-10-2012 21:24

The G 19 is a fighting handgun,I can't come up with a single reason why it wouldn't be appropriate. SJ 40

Tiro Fijo 10-10-2012 22:03

One point: for Heaven's sake don't take some garbage watered down ammo like Fed. Champion or Win. WB. Buy some Speer Lawman, Fiocchi or Fed. AE for example. That way you'll have a great experience and we won't have to read another "BTF" thread!! :supergrin:


Good luck!!

crashoverrideplik 10-10-2012 22:10

Don't worry about bringing enough gun, bring what you shoot the best and that will answer any questions. For most training sessions I prefer a 1911 but I've been shooting the G19's so much lately that I'm starting to favor capacity and the weight difference. If you are really in doubt bring multiple guns. My first Gunsite class I brought 4 guns LOL. It was kinda a hard thing to explain to the TSA but it all worked out. Have fun with your training.

Opie 1 Kenopie 10-10-2012 22:10

I've attended a lot of Front Sight courses. You'll be just fine with your G19. My first course with them was using a SIG 228 with cheap Chinese ball ammo. No probs whatsoever. Naish Piazza, the director used to carry a G22, not sure what he's running these days.

Despite the above advice, Winchester White Box is very common out there and will run in your 19 just fine. No experience with BTF so I can't speak on that. Most importantly, bring drinks, sunscreen and snacks. I'd bring a band aid or two for your magazine reloading thumb too. It'll get a workout by the end of 4 days.

Batesmotel 10-10-2012 22:30

My wife has done Front Sight classes with a G19. No problems. You will see a lot of them there.

Reconinforce 10-11-2012 04:24

Awesome. Thanks all. Now to practice my malfunction drills. With a glock I do not get much practice normally... :)

Arc Angel 10-11-2012 06:05

Federal, 'Champion' will work just fine. I've got a standard weight recoil spring in my G-19; and I go through, about, a thousand rounds of, 'Wal-Mart's finest 9mm ammo' every month.

Make sure you bring an open-topped; non-locking; and, preferably, Kydex holster; a strong gun belt; as many as eight magazines; and up to 4 magazine holders.



ADDED: Oh, yeah! A little thing like an Uplula will make life much easier for you. :supergrin:


molar 10-11-2012 06:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo (Post 19505825)
One point: for Heaven's sake don't take some garbage watered down ammo like Fed. Champion or Win. WB. Buy some Speer Lawman, Fiocchi or Fed. AE for example. That way you'll have a great experience and we won't have to read another "BTF" thread!! :supergrin:


Good luck!!

I bought some WWB a few weeks ago. I was surprised to see that they used WCC 12 NATO stamped brass with crimped in primers. After I shot a few rounds, I saw why. That stuff was HOT, to the point of flattening some primers. I don't know if they are loading it different due to complaints or if that was just a fluke.

Irelander 10-11-2012 06:33

I graduated the FS 4 Day Defensive Handgun course with a G26 and 10-round mags. So you should have no issues with a G19. Whenever you go up to the line to shoot, take all of your loaded mags and also dump a couple of handfuls of ammo in your pockets. Whenever you are not shooting, load your mags. Cargo pants or shorts are a good idea. Good luck. If you can practice your Level I, II, and III malfuction clearing drills before you go then you will be ahead of the game.

pureshot78 10-11-2012 06:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reconinforce (Post 19505693)
Anybody who has attended the 4 day defensive handgun training Front Sight school in NV please chime in.

Assuming fundamentals are in place and I am well practiced with my weapon will a G19 be at a big disadvantage compared to the other firearms brought to the class?

I am hoping to attain a distinguished graduate level but am wondering if I should try and work out bringing a larger frame glock instead.. (of course I would be equally practiced with a different model if I changed over..)

Let me know what you think. I know they shoot out to 15 yards at times but not sure how the detailed the accuracy gets in the scoring.

Thanks!

I understand your thought process behind considering a longer sight radius. I saw people using g34 and some using sub compacts. Don't get hung up on the DG. It's all about getting your hits on target, the time constraints should not be an issue especially if its your second time thought the course. You have been dry practicing right? Good luck!

When are you going?


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Arc Angel 10-11-2012 07:58

Don't worry! 15 yards is close for a G-19; and especially if you're practiced with it. On crowded public firing lines I'll often get shut out of the 10 yard targets. So, I just move over to the 25 yard targets and shoot there. Your groups will open up a little; but, in my experience, not enough for a reasonably skilled G-19 shooter to fail to score consistent hits on any humanoid (IDPA) target.

DannyR 10-11-2012 08:26

I'm taking Masaad's 2-day class in SC next month, armed with a Gen4 G19 and 30 loaded magazines.:wavey:

ron59 10-11-2012 10:39

Shoot that G19 and rock it out.

professorpinki 10-11-2012 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo (Post 19505825)
One point: for Heaven's sake don't take some garbage watered down ammo like Fed. Champion or Win. WB. Buy some Speer Lawman, Fiocchi or Fed. AE for example. That way you'll have a great experience and we won't have to read another "BTF" thread!! :supergrin:


Good luck!!

Ammo has nothing to do with BTF. Poor design changes and lack of consistency in manufacturing processes does.

That said, you'll be fine. Good luck and have fun.

G26AZ 10-11-2012 11:04

IIRC, Frontsight is about defensive handgun skills, right? In that case, I would take the gun that I carry everyday so as to improve my skill with the weapon that I'd have with me in a SHTF situation.

P.S. - what is a "BTF"?

SJ 40 10-11-2012 11:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by G26AZ (Post 19507124)
IIRC, Frontsight is about defensive handgun skills, right? In that case, I would take the gun that I carry everyday so as to improve my skill with the weapon that I'd have with me in a SHTF situation.

P.S. - what is a "BTF"?

BTF=Brass to the face, BTH= Brass to the head. SJ 40

Reconinforce 10-11-2012 11:23

Going in December. Working on malf drills as I have not done much of that previously. Any big difference between clearing type 1, type 2 malfunctions (front sight style)?

Reconinforce 10-11-2012 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by G26AZ (Post 19507124)
IIRC, Frontsight is about defensive handgun skills, right? In that case, I would take the gun that I carry everyday so as to improve my skill with the weapon that I'd have with me in a SHTF situation.

P.S. - what is a "BTF"?

Yes it is but I hope to get a "distinguished graduate" to be eligible for upper level stuff in the future..

Think I need to score on 90 percent range for that though. I'll do my best and have a blast no matter how I end up.

Deriffe 10-11-2012 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arc Angel (Post 19506324)
Federal, 'Champion' will work just fine. I've got a standard weight recoil spring in my G-19; and I go through, about, a thousand rounds of, 'Wal-Mart's finest 9mm ammo' every month.

Make sure you bring an open-topped; non-locking; and, preferably, Kydex holster; a strong gun belt; as many as eight magazines; and up to 4 magazine holders.



ADDED: Oh, yeah! A little thing like an Uplula will make life much easier for you. :supergrin:

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pureshot78 10-12-2012 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reconinforce (Post 19507185)
Going in December. Working on malf drills as I have not done much of that previously. Any big difference between clearing type 1, type 2 malfunctions (front sight style)?

Type 1 is a click instead of a bang when pulling the trigger.
Tap, Rack, Flip then decide whether to shoot.

Type 2 is a dead trigger.
Look and move, you should see brass high in the ejection port. Tap, Rack, Flip then decide whether to shoot.

Type 3 is a dead trigger.
Look and move, you should see brass low in the ejection port. Check to see if you have another magazine. Lock the slide to the rear. Strip the magazine (retain it if you did not have another magazine when you checked), Rack, Rack, Rack, Index a magazine and insert. Rack to load, decide whether to shoot.

These are the front sight malfunction clearance procedures.




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MAC702 10-12-2012 11:19

Tell these guys I sent you:

http://www.ammosupplywarehouse.com/

They set up at the highway outside of Front Site every morning with a truck full of ammo ordered by the students. FAA regulations only allow 11 pounds in your suitcase, and you can't bring reloads anyway, so it's just simpler to call these guys and have your ammo waiting for you.

I've done two classes at Front Sight: 4-day Defensive Handgun and 4-day Practical Rifle, the first was a gift, the second was a prize from an IDPA championship. Their methods are definitely tailored toward doing large groups at a time, but for those with little experience, you will come out a better shooter, and far more familiar with your firearm.

I used my everyday Kimber 1911, but Glocks are very well represented. If I was to take it with a Glock, it would be my Model 19.

kashdaddy 10-12-2012 16:17

any quality firearm should work fine. you are going there to learn so whatever you take then you should gain skills.

SouthpawG26 10-12-2012 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyR (Post 19506656)
I'm taking Masaad's 2-day class in SC next month, armed with a Gen4 G19 and 30 loaded magazines.:wavey:

Just 30????

Providence 10-12-2012 16:50

My wife and I took the front sight 4 day handgun course a couple of years ago. I used my 26 and she used her 19. Both worked well. The instructor used a 17.

I bought Win. white box at a Wal Mart in Las Vegas. Had a few ff, but it gave us more opportunities to clear malfunctions under some stress.

A I'd like to say that it was a good experience for us.


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