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ADK_40GLKr 10-07-2012 16:02

Jury rigged powder measures
 
Got a .5 cc measure with my .40 dies, but the spec sheet calls for .6 cc's.

Looking at the size of the .5 measure, I decided on a .22 case, and ground it down with my Dremel until I could dump powder into it 2 and a half times and figured I'd call that a .2 cc. Then ground another down to where it took 5 dumps to fill the original and called it .1.

Pretty rustic, but it beats separating the powder on a piece of ruled paper with a razor blade. (Not that I've ever done that before with any other substance - but I've seen it on TV.:wow:)

SDGlock23 10-07-2012 16:42

I've never used "cc"s. Do you have scale so you can measure in grains?

F106 Fan 10-07-2012 16:43

You do have a valid scale, right?

I can see using a dipper to get 90% of the load into the scale pan and then using a trickler to finish the measurement.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/317...owder-trickler

I can't even imagine a process where the powder was divided with a razor blade.

We recently had a long discussion re: dippers and scales. The considered opinion is that dippers won't throw a precise charge.

For many powders, the difference between a minimum charge and a maximum charge is just 0.5 gr.

Richard

TKM 10-07-2012 16:48

Jury rigged fingers.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_6421182.htm

fredj338 10-07-2012 17:10

That's fine, before Lee made dippers, guys made them form shell cases cut donw, but consider ONLY Lee shows loads in cc, you better be checking w/ a scale, foolish loading any other way w/ the exception of low end or starting loads.

HAMMERHEAD 10-07-2012 17:51

Wouldn't one larger case made into a dipper be more consistent than dipping 5 times with a tiny one?
You really need a scale. Reloading a pistol ammo with un-calibrated equipment is a recipe for disaster.

shotgunred 10-07-2012 19:45

I predict a KB thread in your future if this is the way you chose to reload.

PhantomF4E 10-07-2012 19:59

Please take the advice that is going to come your way . Even if it is tough love. Yes dippers can be made and used to create cartriges that will push a bullet out of a barrel but please save them for apocalypse reloading or something . Scales really aren't that expensive and they are critical for consistent reloads. At least get a consistent reading with the particular dipper you are using with the specific powder you are using and then keep the charge well below maximum . Use a powder like Unique that is more forgiving. Also get a case where a single measure is all that is needed. Every dip you have to make is capable of introducing error .
I live in South Florida , the only powder I have ever heard of being seperated on paper with a razor blade would not do well over a primer !!!

ADK_40GLKr 10-07-2012 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by HAMMERHEAD (Post 19495044)
Wouldn't one larger case made into a dipper be more consistent than dipping 5 times with a tiny one?
You really need a scale. Reloading a pistol ammo with un-calibrated equipment is a recipe for disaster.

Don't have to dip anything 5 times.

Yellow one is 0.5; tiny is 0.1. I need 0.6. Anything bigger would be way more than prescribed.

Sounds like I really need a scale!

Hoser 10-07-2012 21:14

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Originally Posted by ADK_40GLKr (Post 19495688)
Sounds like I really need a scale!

Without a doubt. And a set of check weights.

SARDG 10-07-2012 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADK_40GLKr (Post 19495688)
...Sounds like I really need a scale!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoser (Post 19495719)
Without a doubt...

...and not a cheap one.

There are many relatively recent threads here about scale recommendations & weighing, and checking & calibrating your scale.

tkglazie 10-08-2012 07:15

The Gemini 20 measures to .02grains all day and is available for $22 on Amazon. You will need a larger pan to place on the one that comes with it. Excellent product. Comes with a pair of check weights

sdelam 10-08-2012 07:29

The Lee scale is inexpensive and works but is not ideal. I like the Dillon scale myself its faster and easier to use but it is a bit more money.

ADK_40GLKr 10-08-2012 07:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhantomF4E (Post 19495511)
I live in South Florida , the only powder I have ever heard of being seperated on paper with a razor blade would not do well over a primer !!!

:faint:

OK, point taken. I'm learning a lot, pretty fast!

I just asked a different way in the other thread, but if the chart says .5 cc in the "Lee Dipper" column for 170 gr XTP bullets, is it OK for 165 gr. PLATED bullets?

unclebob 10-08-2012 08:22

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Originally Posted by tkglazie (Post 19496428)
The Gemini 20 measures to .02grains all day and is available for $22 on Amazon. You will need a larger pan to place on the one that comes with it. Excellent product. Comes with a pair of check weights

Like what Fred has said many of times there is no digital scale that is any good under $100.00. That scale and many other scales come with calibration weights. Not check weights. Of all the reloading equipment you buy. The reloading scale is not a product that you skimp on.

Hoser 10-08-2012 09:05

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Originally Posted by ADK_40GLKr (Post 19496486)
if the chart says .5 cc in the "Lee Dipper" column for 170 gr XTP bullets, is it OK for 165 gr. PLATED bullets?

Well if I knew how much 0.5 cc of your powder weighed I could tell you...

Scale. Get one.

DoctaGlockta 10-08-2012 09:12

I do know that a 9mm case holds about 6 grains of Unique. I have a set of Lee dippers that I probably can't find.

Get a scale. I had a Lee for some time and then out of reloader shame bought a Dillion (made by Ohus).

Good luck.

fredj338 10-08-2012 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADK_40GLKr (Post 19495688)
Don't have to dip anything 5 times.

Yellow one is 0.5; tiny is 0.1. I need 0.6. Anything bigger would be way more than prescribed.

Sounds like I really need a scale!

Ok, so how do you know it's 0.1cc?:dunno:

fredj338 10-08-2012 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkglazie (Post 19496428)
The Gemini 20 measures to .02grains all day and is available for $22 on Amazon. You will need a larger pan to place on the one that comes with it. Excellent product. Comes with a pair of check weights

No it does NOT. No scale under several $500 measures 0.02gr, I am sure you meant 0.2gr, big, big diff.:shocked: A scale that measure 0.2gr is NOT accurate enough for serious reloading. It's about as useful as dippers. Again, until someone shows me a scale that reapeatedly measures accurate 1/10gr charges w/o shifting zero over months of reloading, for under $100 retail, I am sticking to my original statemtent. You are going to have to spend $100 retail or more for a quality, repeatable dig scale.

SARDG 10-08-2012 09:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkglazie (Post 19496428)
The Gemini 20 measures to .02grains all day and is available for $22 on Amazon. You will need a larger pan to place on the one that comes with it. Excellent product. Comes with a pair of check weights

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredj338 (Post 19496744)
No it does NOT. No scale under several $500 measures 0.02gr, I am sure you meant 0.2gr, big, big diff.:shocked: A scale that measure 0.2gr is NOT accurate enough for serious reloading. It's about as useful as dippers...

ADK_ This is a perfect example of choosing wisely who you take advise from on this forum. I know the wise posters, but won't name them for fear of insulting others. Even those wise folks can be guilty of occasional typos however.

Couple the poor advise of using a $22 digital scale AND a typo (or simply a misunderstanding of one's own gear), and you can see where you can simply waste a lot of monies OR have a catastrophic error, depending on how the typo/error/gear misunderstanding works out for you.

The same goes for Internet reload recipes. When you find them, make informed decisions based on cross-checking with published data.


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