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ithaca_deerslayer 10-03-2012 21:15

What AR do I want?
 
$1,000 to $1,500. It will be next tax return season (coming fast, after Fall, after Christmas, then bingo! ) Price does not include scope.

I have no AR's and no experience with them. I have an .223 Interarms Mark X that likes 55gr but keyholes 62gr. I have a Saiga unconverted 16" 7.62x39. Live in the ban state of NY, so just as if the federal ban is still going on (exact same law, just never expired here). Which means most plain stuff is available, but flash suppressors and bayonet lugs have to be pre-ban, I believe. Pre-ban 30 round mags are around for money, 10 rounders are standard.

I kinda like the looks of the older M-16 style rifles. But it'd be nice if the handle came off in case I wanted to scope it. Probably be nice if the front sight came off for the same reason. But I've seen a fixed handle pre-ban that I'd consider, for the classic blac rifle style.

I don't have a specific purpose in mind. Don't need, but want. My Saiga is a good home defense gun and has a detachable side mounted scope. I've got my bolt .223 for woodcucks. A Savage 10FP .308 for playing sniper. And a couple more bolts in .308 and .30-06 for deer.

I think accuracy expectations are something like 1.5" at 100 yards would be nice (if scoped and a good day of my shooting). My Saiga will do 3.5". My 10FP I can do .75". So, over 2" would not thrill me much for this type of gun. If my expectations are unrealistic for this type of gun, I adjust them. I'm quite happy with my Saiga.

Partly I want to get an AR while I can. Not saying they will be outlawed, just saying I want one to sort of stick my nose up at any anti-gun movements. I'll find some 30 round mags for that reason, too.

Home defense use is a possible reason or use, but mainly this would just be a range gun. Not a safe queen, as I would shoot it. But looking like a Vietnam era rifle might be one preference (conflicts with scoping it, so I'm not sure).

Of course, I don't want any jams either. Hopefully as reliable as my Saiga :)

FnKev 10-03-2012 21:28

Colt 6920 with an Aimpoint H1 and call it a day.

XDRoX 10-03-2012 21:28

If I were you I'd just go through all the ar15 pic threads and find the one that you thinks looks the coolest and then build it.

sps 10-03-2012 22:44

Hey Slayer,I'm a .308 guy all the way. ar-10t-fal, just never got in to 5.56/.223. Now I'm not knocking them,I just never used one much. I carried an m-14 and sometimes an m-60.
I'm getting older and softer I guess-7.62 got some recoil to it so I bought an Armalite m-15 a4 rifle. It is a flat top with a 20" barrel- all milspec. I bought the removable carry
handle and front sight for it. I am going to buy a nikon m series or p series scope that's made for .223 rifles. The rifle shoots awesome,I love this thing and it is a ball to shoot.
I already have an older armalite in .308 so I know they build quality rifles. A buddy of mine said it's almost impossible to find a used Armalite for sale so that should tell you something, nobody gets rid of them. Take a look at them .

MrMurphy 10-04-2012 03:43

A basic AR is a 3-4 MOA rifle.

A good AR can easily be a minute gun or better with decent ammo and shooter.

the basic Colt 6920 is an excellent starting point. A LaRue or Noveske is even better but above your price point. Then again, you get what you pay for.

PAGunner 10-04-2012 04:35

I just bought a Colt 6920MP-R, so my vote after researching it goes to Colt 6920. It is thee AR to have IMHO.

eracer 10-04-2012 04:45

Daniel Defense DDM4V7-5.56

$1699 MSRP with removable front/rear sights

They also make a version in 6.8 SPCII, which you may want to consider for more power and increased range.

ithaca_deerslayer 10-04-2012 06:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMurphy (Post 19483945)
A basic AR is a 3-4 MOA rifle.

A good AR can easily be a minute gun or better with decent ammo and shooter.

the basic Colt 6920 is an excellent starting point.

So what should I expect from the average Colt 6920 for accuracy?

Do these interchange .223 and 5.56 no problem? My favorite .223 ammo for my bolt is Black hills blue box 55gr soft point. Will that run good through one of these AR's?

ithaca_deerslayer 10-04-2012 06:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by sps (Post 19483600)
Hey Slayer,I'm a .308 guy all the way. ar-10t-fal, just never got in to 5.56/.223. Now I'm not knocking them,I just never used one much. I carried an m-14 and sometimes an m-60.
I'm getting older and softer I guess-7.62 got some recoil to it so I bought an Armalite m-15 a4 rifle. It is a flat top with a 20" barrel- all milspec. I bought the removable carry
handle and front sight for it. I am going to buy a nikon m series or p series scope that's made for .223 rifles. The rifle shoots awesome,I love this thing and it is a ball to shoot.
I already have an older armalite in .308 so I know they build quality rifles. A buddy of mine said it's almost impossible to find a used Armalite for sale so that should tell you something, nobody gets rid of them. Take a look at them .

That Armalite sounds interesting.

I'll probably let a lot of women shoot this gun, too. So the .223 fits in with that. I do NRA pistol, but sometimes we have events and include long guns for them to try. The Saiga is a hit with them, but the mag change is not intuitive on it.

I like the idea of a fixed stock, but I realize adjustable is flexible for letting other shooters try. In the end, I'll pick what I like, but was just thinking of potential uses for it, like letting newbies try it out :)

ithaca_deerslayer 10-04-2012 06:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by eracer (Post 19483989)
Daniel Defense DDM4V7-5.56

$1699 MSRP with removable front/rear sights

They also make a version in 6.8 SPCII, which you may want to consider for more power and increased range.

If more power I'd probably go for a military style wood semi-auto in one of the .30 variety. 6.8 is probably great, but I don't want a new caliber in my house, if I can avoid it. Although maybe a 10mm someday :)

What features make the Daniel Defense desirable compared to the less expensive stuff? Asking because I really don't know much about any of these guns.

G23Adam 10-04-2012 08:17

Go for a Colt, BCM, or Daniel Defense first. That way you know what a properly operating AR should be for subsequent purchases.

The extra money is paying for better QC and better parts to begin with.

GWG19 10-04-2012 10:11

AR wise I have Ruger SR556, Colt 6724 and a DPMS SBR that I have a couple of different Uppers for.
The Colt 6724 will shoot sub MOA.
THE SR556 is good for 1 to 1.5 from a rest.
The DPMS is just plain fun to shoot. I run the 11 inch upper suppressed and the AR 57 upper is the 6 inch with the GemTech can on it.

TheBelly 10-04-2012 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by G23Adam (Post 19484339)
Go for a Colt, BCM, or Daniel Defense first. That way you know what a properly operating AR should be for subsequent purchases.

The extra money is paying for better QC and better parts to begin with.

/thread

SFW 10-04-2012 10:42

I'm a huge fan of Rock River Arms. I've had my Elite Operator for a little over a year and it shoots sub MOA all day long. I've got about 3000 rounds through the rifle without a single hiccup. Now some will scoff that RRA does not have a milspec barrel, but I think that the RRA barrel is actually better than milspec. All debate able, but they are a hell of a lot of gun for the money.

bmoore 10-04-2012 13:44

I am a big BCM fan after buying my 14.5 inch lightweight middy. Call me a fanboy or whatever, they make quality equipment and you get what you pay for.

skeeter7 10-04-2012 14:25

Can't go wrong with a Colt. I prefer the 6720.

scccdoc 10-04-2012 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer (Post 19484058)
So what should I expect from the average Colt 6920 for accuracy?

Do these interchange .223 and 5.56 no problem? My favorite .223 ammo for my bolt is Black hills blue box 55gr soft point. Will that run good through one of these AR's?

My new Colt "Sporter" is a 5.56 Nato. I shoot .223 with no problem, but I understand that a .223 chambered rifle may be dangerous with 5.56 rds shot thru it due to the more powerful rd............DOC

Gbannan 10-04-2012 17:01

Colt.

TattooedGlock 10-04-2012 17:22

Save $100 more. For $1600 you can pick up and LWRC which you'll love. I had one for a long time before I sold it due to needing some quick cash for another project. Stupid me.

I just replaced it with a POF which is simply amazing. But the LWRC is a really solid amazing gun in its own right.

mgentry 10-04-2012 19:45

Sig 556


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