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diamondd2 08-07-2012 12:50

Glock 21 Gen4 Erratic Ejection Thread
 
I have a G21 Gen4. I now have 300rds through it with numerous brass to the head, face and shoulder. Im not sure if I am the only one with this problem, or the only one to admit it, but it is happening. Hopefully others will come foward.

1st range trip:
100rds AE FMJ 230gr at indoor range. Did notice brass to the head/face/shoulder. Did not pay attention because I am so used to brass bouncing off the partitions and hitting me.

2nd range trip:
50rds PMC FMJ 230gr and 50rds Blazer CCI Aluminum FMJ 230gr. at outdoor range. No PMC brass to the head. About 5-6 alum blazer casings to the head/face. Maybe 2 Blazer casings to the shoulder.

3rd range trip:
50 rds Independence FMJ 230gr and 50 rds Blazer CCI Aluminum FMJ 230gr at outdoor range. About 15 casing to the head/face from both brass and aluminum casings. About 6 casings from both brass and aluminum to the shoulder.

PAGunner 08-07-2012 15:27

Wow that really sucks, and here I thought the 21 was immune from BtF, Glock needs to get their stuff together.

Opie 1 Kenopie 08-07-2012 15:39

I must be blessed, because I've never had brass come back on me with ANY of my many Glocks using ANY ammo, EVER. My guess is the weak ammo you buy for the range. Either that or you're holding it pimp style.

cowboy1964 08-07-2012 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opie 1 Kenopie (Post 19281909)
My guess is the weak ammo you buy for the range. Either that or you're holding it pimp style.

Well, that was fast, we only made it to the 2nd reply.

Let's say you're right.... why do no other guns have such a problem with "weak ammo" or grip? Is Glock just junk?

SPIN2010 08-07-2012 15:48

Maybe some close up pictures of the G4 G21 mechanism (ejector, extractor, and breechface) would help the naysayers. I know it would help me. :supergrin:

DeLo 08-07-2012 15:59

Weak ammo.

Beretta92guy 08-07-2012 16:02

Oh, for cryin'-out-loud....NOW its the .45's!!!!!!!

and to think, i almost chose a G21sf over a XDm.....

glad i chose the latter.....

PAGunner 08-07-2012 16:10

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Originally Posted by DeLo (Post 19281987)
Weak ammo.

Weak extractor.

WinterWizard 08-07-2012 16:29

OP, do you have video to prove or disprove your claim? Without video, I suspect it is may just be ricochets off the partition wall. Sometimes ejection is so hard and the ricochet so fast, I could see where it feels like ejection straight to the face or upper body, when in fact it's not. Or has someone witnessed your problem?

In any event, this looks like the first instance of erratic ejection with a G21 gen4 that has popped up on GT, with probably thousands of guns sold most likely. Hardly an "issue" unless quite a few more pop up.

diamondd2 08-07-2012 16:35

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Originally Posted by PAGunner (Post 19281866)
Wow that really sucks, and here I thought the 21 was immune from BtF, Glock needs to get their stuff together.

It does not really bother me that much as it has had no failures. Also, it is a range gun for me, not a HD/SD weapon. I use my 19 gen4 for that. Anyway, Im really interested to see if any one else has experienced this.

And yes, I shoot gangsta style.


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diamondd2 08-07-2012 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinterWizard (Post 19282083)
OP, do you have video to prove or disprove your claim? Without video, I suspect it is may just be ricochets off the partition wall. Sometimes ejection is so hard and the ricochet so fast, I could see where it feels like ejection straight to the face or upper body, when in fact it's not. Or has someone witnessed your problem?

In any event, this looks like the first instance of erratic ejection with a G21 gen4 that has popped up on GT, with probably thousands of guns sold most likely. Hardly an "issue" unless quite a few more pop up.

Re-read my original post. I cover the partition ricochet. The second and third range trips were an outdoor range with no partitions. I watched the casings coming straight back.

If someone here in NJ wants to video it while I shoot it, I can meet up at cherry ridge range.

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diamondd2 08-07-2012 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIN2010 (Post 19281950)
Maybe some close up pictures of the G4 G21 mechanism (ejector, extractor, and breechface) would help the naysayers. I know it would help me. :supergrin:

You saying I don't have a G21 G4?

You got me.

Anyway, I will post some pics later this evening.

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RevDerb 08-07-2012 16:45

I feel cheated! My G21 Gen. 2.5 throws everything to the right. Then I have to bend over and pick them up. If they came at my head, maybe I could catch some of them and save myself the bending.

diamondd2 08-07-2012 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beretta92guy (Post 19281997)
Oh, for cryin'-out-loud....NOW its the .45's!!!!!!!

and to think, i almost chose a G21sf over a XDm.....

glad i chose the latter.....

Hahahaha. I sold my perfect ejecting G21SF for the Gen4.

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WinterWizard 08-07-2012 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by diamondd2 (Post 19282109)
And yes, I shoot gangsta style.

Are you serious?

Larry V 08-07-2012 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opie 1 Kenopie (Post 19281909)
I must be blessed, because I've never had brass come back on me with ANY of my many Glocks using ANY ammo, EVER. My guess is the weak ammo you buy for the range. Either that or you're holding it pimp style.

I have to agree as I have had the same experience. I own 22 Glocks both Gen 3 and 4 and never have brass to the face or any other issues. I believe that alot of it has to do with Grip. Just my 2 cents

diamondd2 08-07-2012 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinterWizard (Post 19282427)
Are you serious?


NO. That was just me being a wise ass.

diamondd2 08-07-2012 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPIN2010 (Post 19281950)
Maybe some close up pictures of the G4 G21 mechanism (ejector, extractor, and breechface) would help the naysayers. I know it would help me. :supergrin:


I cant get any close up pictures to come out clear.

Here is a breakdown of the parts it came with:

0-7-2 RSA
8196-2 Ejector
Non-Dip extractor (#3 on the bridge)
. Connector
Smooth Trigger Face

I guess I will be polishing the extractor and filing down the shoulder. Oh well.

Doughnutman_923 08-07-2012 22:31

Man, and I thought I was GTG with getting a GLOCK45.....what I've always wanted. :crying:






































Guess it's time to get an H&K USP....the other pistol I've always wanted. :whistling:

Doughnutman_923 08-07-2012 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by diamondd2 (Post 19282593)

I guess I will be polishing the extractor and filing down the shoulder. Oh well.


I tried that on my G19..........made things worse. I hope it goes different for you.

Just make sure to have another extractor...just in case.

Socks tear 08-08-2012 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeLo (Post 19281987)
Weak ammo.

and not enough rounds throuh it to break it in. Don't shoot one box and whine people

OctoberRust 08-08-2012 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beretta92guy (Post 19281997)
Oh, for cryin'-out-loud....NOW its the .45's!!!!!!!

and to think, i almost chose a G21sf over a XDm.....

glad i chose the latter.....

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cowboy1964 08-08-2012 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry V (Post 19282453)
I have to agree as I have had the same experience. I own 22 Glocks both Gen 3 and 4 and never have brass to the face or any other issues. I believe that alot of it has to do with Grip. Just my 2 cents

Sick of this grip excuse. ENOUGH ALREADY PEOPLE! Ok, it's due to a poor grip. You're basically saying Glocks are junk because they require perfect shooting fundamentals to operate correctly. None of my other guns do.

Does hickok45 have a poor grip? Go watch some of his Glock videos and see how poorly cases eject. I've posted many examples of this, with specific time references in the video. By contrast, watch any of his videos with other makes (Sig, HK, S&W) and you will rarely (basically never) see poor ejection.

t4terrific 08-08-2012 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by diamondd2 (Post 19282109)
And yes, I shoot gangsta style.


Turning it sideways? That's a kill shot man! :supergrin:

Getting pegged with brass sucks. Especially to the face. My wife's Gen 4 Glock 19 did it at first. The new RSA and ejector from Glock fixed that problem.

Andy W 08-08-2012 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowboy1964 (Post 19284639)
Sick of this grip excuse. ENOUGH ALREADY PEOPLE! Ok, it's due to a poor grip. You're basically saying Glocks are junk because they require perfect shooting fundamentals to operate correctly. None of my other guns do.

Does hickok45 have a poor grip? Go watch some of his Glock videos and see how poorly cases eject. I've posted many examples of this, with specific time references in the video. By contrast, watch any of his videos with other makes (Sig, HK, S&W) and you will rarely (basically never) see poor ejection.

I agree. Glocks are supposed to be fighting pistols. If perfect technique is required to get them to function properly then there is something wrong. Chances are when you are fighting to save your life you aren't going to have a perfect grip or stance. You might even have to shoot weak handed and even then without full use of that arm. Or maybe there is blood or sweat all over your hands and you can't get a firm grip on the gun. Or if you have a guy on top of you trying to beat you to death, there's no way you are gonna get a proper firm grip with both hands and get into a weaver stance. So I think an argument can be made that Glock is dropping the ball here.


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