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Gbannan 07-27-2012 17:38

My first AK-Zastava PAP (Pics inside)
 
Looking at getting into the AK platform. There is a WASR at my LGS. I've heard mixed reviews on these. They aren't as well refined as polytechs and other top end models. I believe the price was $550. Just want to some tips on what I should be looking for. Excuse my ignorance as this will be my first AK and have only done limited research. Thanks guys.

RJ 71 07-27-2012 18:14

I picked up a WASR about six months ago. So far I love it. It's not pretty and the sights are a little out of whack but I did my homework and knew what I was getting before I brought it home. So it depends on what your looking to do with it. If you want a tack driver the WASR is probably not the AK for you. If you want a gun that goes bang when you pull the trigger and is reasonably accurate at a reasonable price it's not a terrible gun. And my definition of reasonably accurate is A to C zone hits on a standard USPSA target at 50 yards. If I want to put all the hits in the a zone at 100 yds I get out my AR.

Redstate 07-27-2012 18:25

My WASR goes bang everytime. I would not trade it or sell it. Its all about functionality.

Gbannan 07-27-2012 18:37

Well thanks for the opinions. I don't want a piece of junk but I don't need a top of the line AK. I want something that I can shoot and not worry about. I do however want the firearm to be somewhat accurate. Bottom line, don't want to spend $550 on junk that I will have problems with.

RYT 2BER 07-27-2012 19:02

Frightening that wasrs are up to those numbers but I knows that's what it is.

Wasrs aren't pretty IMO but they get the job done ( be it either range fun or a defense rifle )

Gbannan 07-27-2012 19:19

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Originally Posted by RYT 2BER (Post 19242957)
Wasrs aren't pretty or fun IMO but the get the job done ( be it either range fun or a defense rifle )

Confused. Understand they aren't pretty. They aren't fun but they are fun on the range?? Dunno.

RYT 2BER 07-27-2012 20:12

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Originally Posted by RYT 2BER (Post 19242957)

Wasrs aren't pretty IMO but they get the job done ( be it either range fun or a defense rifle )

Sorry... Fixed it.. :embarassed:

Gbannan 07-27-2012 20:16

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Originally Posted by RYT 2BER (Post 19243232)
Sorry... Fixed it.. :embarassed:

Its cool man. No worries.

HWI 07-27-2012 20:29

For $550 I think an AMD65 on an FEG receiver would be a better buy, you can get them for more like $450 and they are high quality.
WASRs are decent rifles and run good, you just have to check it out to make sure it doesn't have canted fsb or gb and that there isn't excessive mag wobble.

Gbannan 07-27-2012 20:45

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Originally Posted by HWI (Post 19243311)
For $550 I think an AMD65 on an FEG receiver would be a better buy, you can get them for more like $450 and they are high quality.
WASRs are decent rifles and run good, you just have to check it out to make sure it doesn't have canted fsb or gb and that there isn't excessive mag wobble.

Yea those are the things that im going to look for. From my limited research i know about the front sight and mag wobble but i don't know about gb???
Unsure what you mean by gb.

RJ 71 07-27-2012 20:52

HWI is referring to the gas block. They have a tendency to be canted just like the front site.

Gbannan 07-27-2012 20:57

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Originally Posted by RJ 71 (Post 19243432)
HWI is referring to the gas block. They have a tendency to be canted just like the front site.

Understood. I'm assuming operate the slide and check to see how smooth it operates. Excuse my ignorance.

HWI 07-27-2012 21:13

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Originally Posted by Gbannan (Post 19243455)
Understood. I'm assuming operate the slide and check to see how smooth it operates. Excuse my ignorance.

Generally it's more of an issue of appearance. The gas block would have to be canted pretty severely to hinder the movement of the gas piston. Though operating the action doesn't hurt any.

The time when a canted gas block can be an issue is if you are mounting a handguard where the upper and lower clamp together, or when using an Ultimak.

Gbannan 07-27-2012 21:20

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Originally Posted by HWI (Post 19243513)
Generally it's more of an issue of appearance. The gas block would have to be canted pretty severely to hinder the movement of the gas piston. Though operating the action doesn't hurt any.

The time when a canted gas block can be an issue is if you are mounting a handguard where the upper and lower clamp together, or when using an Ultimak.

Gotcha. Thanks for your input.

jakebrake 07-28-2012 12:34

my part of the state (bout 45 mins from you), we have a lot in local stores. not sure about your end.

couple new ones in the 550 range at my local. (3 exits on the tpk)

Gbannan 07-28-2012 16:29

Well, I went ahead and went with a CIA Zastava model# RI1987N. They seem to be a bit better quality than the wasr. Better fit and finish and no mag wobble. If anyone has one I would love to know what they think of it. I'm picking it up next week.

adamg01 07-28-2012 18:09

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Originally Posted by Gbannan (Post 19245859)
Well, I went ahead and went with a CIA Zastava model# RI1987N. They seem to be a bit better quality than the wasr. Better fit and finish and no mag wobble. If anyone has one I would love to know what they think of it. I'm picking it up next week.

Congrats on your first Ak! I hope you get great service from it and the Yugo has a solid reputation in the Ak community. I have three Ak's (Sgl20, Sgl21, and a Hungarian Sa85m) and I wish I had at least three more.

Gbannan 07-28-2012 18:32

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Originally Posted by adamg01 (Post 19246199)
Congrats on your first Ak! I hope you get great service from it and the Yugo has a solid reputation in the Ak community. I have three Ak's (Sgl20, Sgl21, and a Hungarian Sa85m) and I wish I had at least three more.

Glad to hear that. I went in looking for the wasr but my LGS was cleaned out. The sales rep said they were flying out the door..for obvious reasons. I decided to look at the Yugo and i'm glad I did because the quality/fit and finish trumps the wasr hands down. Got lucky too, it was the last Yugo in stock. Can't wait to shoot it.

WASRfan 07-28-2012 23:17

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Originally Posted by Gbannan (Post 19245859)
Well, I went ahead and went with a CIA Zastava model# RI1987N. They seem to be a bit better quality than the wasr. Better fit and finish and no mag wobble. If anyone has one I would love to know what they think of it. I'm picking it up next week.


The WASRs are not a bad choice; closest to the 70's vintage Soviet AKMs we can get. They have chrome hammer-forged barrels and are factory made guns with enough US parts to pass muster.

But the Zastava PAPs are also primo factory made AKMs with 922 parts. It's just that they have no chrome barrels, so be meticulous with your cleanings if you are using any kind of corrosive ammo.

Gbannan 07-29-2012 05:39

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Originally Posted by WASRfan (Post 19247117)
But the Zastava PAPs are also primo factory made AKMs with 922 parts. It's just that they have no chrome barrels, so be meticulous with your cleanings if you are using any kind of corrosive ammo.

No corrosive ammo for me.

Like I said before im new to AKs. What are the 922 parts you speak of and what does PAP stand for?


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