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Gertz 07-07-2012 23:39

9mm +P+ FMJ
 
I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

*Please no Hollow-Points*

Thanks for any information

9mm +p+ 07-07-2012 23:49

Federal used to load a 124 truncated cone looking FMJ +p+, don't know if they still do. I think buffalo bore loads a hot FMJ as well.

Gertz 07-07-2012 23:55

Yea I saw that cartridge

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=225

I still trying to look into the "low recoil" powder. I don't really know about that. I'd imagine it'd be a slower burning powder, which I wouldn't like.

M 7 07-08-2012 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9mm +p+ (Post 19173513)
Federal used to load a 124 truncated cone looking FMJ +p+, don't know if they still do. I think buffalo bore loads a hot FMJ as well.

Yes, it was the Federal XM9MP 9mm 124 gr. FMJ-SWC.

Supposed to be good for 1,280 fps and about a yard of penetration.

pck50 07-08-2012 00:39

Try the following !

www.underwoodammo.com
www.buffalobore.com

If anyone will have it they may.





Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertz (Post 19173499)
I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

*Please no Hollow-Points*

Thanks for any information


Gertz 07-08-2012 01:05

I like the underwood ammo. I don't really like HP ammunition though. I like FMJ with a 9mm so I keep my tumble effect/penetration.

avenues165 07-08-2012 01:10

Tumble effect?

Even if that short of a round were to yaw I don't see it making a huge wound with FMJ. Seems like a deep penetrating JHP would be a better choice if you want to increase the possibility of incapacitation.

Not trying to be a jerk, just curious about your thoughts on this.

Gertz 07-08-2012 01:38

well from the tests I've done and others have done I know it does tumble with a fmj bullet. I like having that while still keeping high penetration.

and no it's not huge, but I it does help, and if you place the shot right it doesn't really matter.

That's also the reason I'm looking for a high pressured round. Not only more energy but increased speed also increases the chance to tumble.

avenues165 07-08-2012 01:52

Cool, to each his own.

I agree with you on velocity, I totally love a hot round for SD (some don't think it matters at all and base their selection more on the bullet performance in the factory load, just a difference of opinion).

My ideal for a SD load is a JHP bullet that will hold together at the highest velocity I can find and still penetrate deep. Right now I have my eye on Underwood's 357 sig GD JHP load at 1,450 fps. I intend to buy a box of it on Monday and test it through wet newsprint (wish I could do it with gelatin) to see how the GD bullet handles the higher velocity.

With higher velocity in a JHP round you can actually lose penetration, so I feel the GD with a higher velocity should be tested.

Gertz 07-08-2012 02:09

Why don't you just make some? I watched a video yesterday and all the guy did was mix a couple packets of geletin in water and pour it into a mold. Looks pretty simple.


avenues165 07-08-2012 02:36

My problem is more related to the transport of the gelatin to a place suitable to shoot it. To go to an area where I am free to shoot something like a block of gelatin requires a 60 minute drive into the desert in July. Without a cooler large enough to transport it I am afraid I'll have one heck of a mess when I get there.

I guess coolers aren't too expensive, if my wife will go for it:whistling:

Whatever I do I want to document it for GT. I have learned a lot from this site and if I can contribute to it I would be thrilled.

Off to bed, had just a little too many tonight and stayed up a little too late:faint:

Tiro Fijo 07-08-2012 02:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertz (Post 19173656)


It's not. To be CALIBRATED it has to have a certain consistency and then be cooled and kept at a correct temp range for testing. Damn near impossible to do this time of year outdoors.


http://www.gelatininnovations.com/pa...istic_fbi.html

Gertz 07-08-2012 02:47

have you ever heard the phrase "close enough"?

Tiro Fijo 07-08-2012 03:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertz (Post 19173681)
have you ever heard the phrase "close enough"?


Yes, but only uttered by drunk sailors at 2AM when eyeballing a fat chick. :supergrin:

Gertz 07-08-2012 03:11

ROFL there has to be a story behind that one. I'm not sure I want to hear it though ROFL

Foxtrotx1 07-08-2012 05:07

A tumbling is only significant if the bullet actually has some length to it so it can create drag and score a wide wound channel. A 9mm 124 is practically almost as aerodynamic sideways as it is front on.

Merkavaboy 07-08-2012 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertz (Post 19173499)
I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

*Please no Hollow-Points*

Thanks for any information

If you want an increased pressure 9mm load try finding some Hirtenberger L7A1 124FMJ ammo. This is definately a high, but not overpressure, loading from 1990/91. I've shot 50 rnds of this ammo out of my G19 with no signs of overpressure and it chrono'ed at 1279fps for a 5-shot avg.

Foxtrotx1 07-08-2012 19:38

Before choosing 9mm FMJ, you should consider that Rep. Giffords is still alive partially due to their lack of lethality.

Gertz 07-08-2012 19:55

Who is that? And anything can be non-lethal if you dont hit something vital.

Gertz 07-08-2012 20:00

hmm....never mind lol but is she really alive? Technically maybe. That's pretty ****ed up though.


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