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Redstate 05-13-2012 10:36

Gen 4 G26 RSA Issues
 
Why is it that my Gen 4 G26 RSA occassionally pops out of its seat to the point that I can't get the slide off? It is normal for the RSA to become unseated to a certain degree; however, mine comes out completely on occassion and gets stuck in the serial number cut out.

This is happenning when I go to field strip the gun after I am simply dry firing without a magazine in the gun and obviously no ammo in the chamber. I have a Gen 3 G26 and G27 and they have never exhibited this issue.

In the meantime, I ordered and recieved a new spring (older version) from Lone Wolf and it also occassionally pops out of its seat to the point that I can't get the slide off.

Any ideas as to what could be the cause of the spring popping completely out of the seat and getting stuck in serial number cut out? In the meantime, I am going back to work on getting the slide off. I am having more difficulty doing so this time the the previous times.

Whtwolf14 05-13-2012 12:11

Well that sux....

I'll have to see what's up with mine when it gets here. I've got another RSA in my kit box from a Gen3 G26 if that's the case. Will most likely score a Wolff steel rod for it if I start seeing issues come up.

Redstate 05-13-2012 12:42

Thanks. By the way, it does have 210 rounds through it and it runs perfect. Also, I am absolutely positive that I properly seated the RSA before the putting the slide back on (unlike my previous thread where I started to have doubts, but now believe that I properly seated it that time as well). I am not new to Glocks, and am in the habit of properly seating the RSA.
I did get the slide off by re-seating the RSA (not an easy task).

Redstate 05-13-2012 16:27

Calling DannyR, please.

Okay, this is still bugging the crap out of me. Took some caliper measurments. I measured the RSA hole on the muzzle end of the slide, after safely field stripping my Gen 3 and Gen 4 subcompacts. There are acutally two dimensions there. One is on the inside of the hole, and all 3 subcompacts were close from about .512 to .515.

Measuring from outside of the front of slide, the hole is .435 on the Gen 3 26 and 27. However, on the Gen 4 26, the dimension is .450. I wonder if this difference of .015 could be causing the occassional issue with the RSA and the slide not coming off.

It would be greatly appreciated if someone with a Gen 4 26 or 27 would make this measurement and post it. Of course, safely field strip the pistol before attempting to measure. I would like to see if mine is within spec.

Redstate 05-14-2012 17:48

Anybody??

fowler 05-14-2012 18:46

My wifes gen 4 G26 is over 500rds without any trouble.

Redstate 05-16-2012 19:37

UPDATE: My co-worker brought his new Gen 4 G26 in to work today, and after field stripping the gun, I measured the RSA hole on the muzzle end of the slide. The measurement was just like mine, .450. I was pleased. There appears to be no issue regarding the measurement being larger than on my Gen 3's. The inside measurement was the same as the others.

GLOCK17DB9 05-16-2012 19:50

Good luck to you and I look forward to hearing your results.

Green Mountain Boy 05-16-2012 20:00

Have had a similar issue with my 27 g4. I have chalked it up to not properly reassembling. Every time the issue has come up I simply disassemble and reassemble and it goes away. If the measurements are different from generation to generation that would seem to point to Glock feeling a need to compensate for something or fix a different issue.

voyager4520 05-17-2012 04:59

I've noticed that the metal disc that is the base of the guide rod can warp somewhat, it'll look crooked from the side. Perhaps the disc on that RSA is warped to the point that its overall length is shorter than normal, causing it to drop out of the barrel lug. :dunno:

Bruce M 05-17-2012 05:21

I might try contacting Glock. It probably is not the first time they have seen this and know the solution. And if it is the first time, I'd bet they would want to know.

Rusty Shackleford 05-17-2012 07:09

I doubt this makes you feel any better, but I remember this happening a few times with my GEN3 G26. It was the only Glock I ever had occasional issues reassembling before the GEN4's came out. Did they actually alter the design of the RSA on the subcompacts for GEN4? (it was already dual spring, so I'm wondering what else they did)

voyager4520 05-17-2012 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Shackleford (Post 18977305)
Did they actually alter the design of the RSA on the subcompacts for GEN4? (it was already dual spring, so I'm wondering what else they did)

Yes, it's not just for Gen4, it's for all sub-compacts. The G26/27 version is marked either 0-8 or 0-8-1 on the base and the G29/30 is marked 0-9 on the base.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1413323

Redstate 05-17-2012 07:57

Thanks for the responses. I have asked Glock to send me a new recoil spring with regard to another issue discussed in another thread I recently started: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1419549.
I am waiting on the new RSA from Glock; however, the new RSA I ordered and received from Lone Wolf is the old style Glock RSA, and it goes into battery everytime, no matter how much I ride the slide.

cripes7 05-17-2012 08:13

What spring do you have? If it has the 0-8, there can be issues with the GEN 4 noses. That is why they went to the 0-8-1. The original springs(GEN3) are also fine to use.

Steve in Az 05-17-2012 08:25

I've owned Glock's for over 20yrs, and the sub-compacts are different in that you really have to make sure you've got the RGR positioned correctly, and seated completely on reassembly. Never owned another model Glock that was this "picky" about it being in there perfectly. Just my experience. My 26 is a (2012 build) 3rd gen FWIW.

Redstate 05-17-2012 09:16

0-8-1

Redstate 05-21-2012 17:55

Good news. Got the Glock 0-8 RSA, and tried it today. Works great. No more issues with the RSA. Put 100 rounds of WWB and 10 rounds of Gold Dot +p through it today. It now has a total of 320 flawless rounds.:supergrin:

JohnnieBush 10-16-2012 08:47

Glock G27 Gen 4 RSA problems!
 
RedState,

I have a G27 Gen 4 with very similar problems as you are describing. This pistol was purchased about a week ago and I have included photos of the damage done by the RSA and have returned the pistol to Glock for evaluation.

I have been told many times that it's NORMAL for the spring to come out of the the assembly notch when disassembling the gun.

Further, I would never reassemble the gun without returning the spring assembly to it's proper position.

You can take a look at this and I'm sure you will find it interesting.


http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503428

Redstate 10-17-2012 19:12

With the new spring, the RSA still comes unseated to a certain degree, like normal; however, it no longer ever comes completely unseated, as described in my earlier posts, since using the new RSA. If you haven't already done so, you may want to check out this related thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1419549

Good luck JohnnieBush.

GPBob 10-17-2012 22:07

This may have some bearing. I posted this on another Glock forum website.

"If you look at your recoil spring assembly on your 27, you will notice that it is bowed (not perfectly straight). If you place the bow of the spring facing downward toward the frame, you may experience problems with the field stripping. If you place the spring in any other way that is to say bow up or sideways you'll be fine. Before I figured this out I would occasionally have a hard time with field stripping. So much so that I gouged the inside of the frame of my 26. I noticed when cleaning my guns with a friend who also owns a 26, that his frame was gouged in much the same way. He didn't notice the gouges until I mentioned them.

When the bow is toward the frame the rear contact point of the RSA is tilted back toward the slide lock bar so when you pull down on the slide lock you inadvertently pull the RSA from the barrel. I have muscled the slide off in this situation and caused the frame gouging. The better way is to push down on the front of the exposed RSA and re seat the rear portion onto the barrel."

You are probably aware that their are some dimensional difference in the slides length between the two generations, according to Glock's website.

flw 10-17-2012 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPBob (Post 19529808)
This may have some bearing. I posted this on another Glock forum website.

"If you look at your recoil spring assembly on your 27, you will notice that it is bowed (not perfectly straight). If you place the bow of the spring facing downward toward the frame, you may experience problems with the field stripping. If you place the spring in any other way that is to say bow up or sideways you'll be fine. Before I figured this out I would occasionally have a hard time with field stripping. So much so that I gouged the inside of the frame of my 26. I noticed when cleaning my guns with a friend who also owns a 26, that his frame was gouged in much the same way. He didn't notice the gouges until I mentioned them.

When the bow is toward the frame the rear contact point of the RSA is tilted back toward the slide lock bar so when you pull down on the slide lock you inadvertently pull the RSA from the barrel. I have muscled the slide off in this situation and caused the frame gouging. The better way is to push down on the front of the exposed RSA and re seat the rear portion onto the barrel."

You are probably aware that their are some dimensional difference in the slides length between the two generations, according to Glock's website.

What is meant by bow of the spring? Its a captured spring so I'm confused here. Thanks.

GPBob 10-17-2012 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by flw (Post 19529919)
What is meant by bow of the spring? Its a captured spring so I'm confused here. Thanks.


Lay your captured spring on the table and roll it around. You will notice that it is not perfectly straight, but slightly bowed.

JohnnieBush 10-20-2012 05:45

NEW Glock g27 with problems!
 
I'm now authorized to "post", so I like to include this information on my new Glock g27 Gen 4 on this forum. My problem seem to have much in common with what RedState is describing.

What I did, - was to ask members to let me know if they had a perfectly working G27 whose RSA (Return Spring Assembly) WASN'T tearing the guts out of their gun. And, yes, I now know that it's normal for the spring to come out of it's normally retained position. (Just put it back in place when you reassemble the pistol.)

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I just purchased a new Glock G27 (Gen4) on Sunday, October 7th. (My first Glock ever) Even when cycling the action by hand and disassembling the pistol, the spring was becoming jammed between the barrel and the frame and was almost impossible to disassemble. When I was able to disassemble the pistol, I was scratching the heck out of the interior of the frame. This problem made me positively sick on a brand new gun!

I wrote to Glock describing the problem, and they replied!

"It is normal for the recoil spring to drop out of the half circle notch. It should be placed in that notch prior to reassembly."

Hmmmm . . . doesn't seem normal to me, but then again they are the experts on Glocks!

I went out yesterday and put 50 rounds through the pistol to make sure that everything was normal when firing it. When I got home and was able to disassemble the pistol, my brand new gun didn't look pretty. The polycarbonate frame was badly scarred and I am sure that the damage and self-destruction will only continue if I keep firing the gun. I simply don't like to see a brand new gun being destroyed right before my very eyes.

I own a lot of handguns, and this NEW Glock 27 Gen 4, which is three days old, is more damaged and scratched than any other gun that I own! And, some of them are 50 years old.

I took a few pictures as best I could and will take any suggestions on how to remedy the situation!

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I wanted to provide this forum with an update on my progress on my problem. I shipped my Glock G27 off to the factory this afternoon via FedEx Overnight at a cost of $64.47 with Insurance. I paid $549.99 for the gun plus $32.99 Sales Tax plus $2.00 for the Background Check plus a $3.00 Gun Tax. With the return shipping, my total cost is now up to $652.45 for my first foray into the Glock Community. Thatís a lot to pay for a gun that cost less than $100 to manufacturer. Yeah, I know itís hard to believe. Everyone should start by reading the book Glock: The Rise of Americaís Gun! I think that most people that are reading this forum would really enjoy it.


It's hard for me to believe that ANY manufacturer, even Glock, or their professional representative would SUGGEST that itís NORMAL for a recoil spring to jump out itís assigned position and gouge (metal on plastic) the polycarbonate frame of a gun every time itís fired or cycled by hand! John Browning would be turning over in his grave to hear such a absurd story or his ghost would be wailing in extreme pain!

I'll keep people posted of the outcome to my G27 problem.
This is the link to photos of the my Glock damages:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/feh3h8xusxond28/R12IwAMjHK

GPBob 10-20-2012 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnieBush (Post 19536824)
I'm now authorized to "post", so I like to include this information on my new Glock g27 Gen 4 on this forum. My problem seem to have much in common with what RedState is describing.

What I did, - was to ask members to let me know if they had a perfectly working G27 whose RSA (Return Spring Assembly) WASN'T tearing the guts out of their gun. And, yes, I now know that it's normal for the spring to come out of it's normally retained position. (Just put it back in place when you reassemble the pistol.)

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I just purchased a new Glock G27 (Gen4) on Sunday, October 7th. (My first Glock ever) Even when cycling the action by hand and disassembling the pistol, the spring was becoming jammed between the barrel and the frame and was almost impossible to disassemble. When I was able to disassemble the pistol, I was scratching the heck out of the interior of the frame. This problem made me positively sick on a brand new gun!

I wrote to Glock describing the problem, and they replied!

"It is normal for the recoil spring to drop out of the half circle notch. It should be placed in that notch prior to reassembly."

Hmmmm . . . doesn't seem normal to me, but then again they are the experts on Glocks!

I went out yesterday and put 50 rounds through the pistol to make sure that everything was normal when firing it. When I got home and was able to disassemble the pistol, my brand new gun didn't look pretty. The polycarbonate frame was badly scarred and I am sure that the damage and self-destruction will only continue if I keep firing the gun. I simply don't like to see a brand new gun being destroyed right before my very eyes.

I own a lot of handguns, and this NEW Glock 27 Gen 4, which is three days old, is more damaged and scratched than any other gun that I own! And, some of them are 50 years old.

I took a few pictures as best I could and will take any suggestions on how to remedy the situation!

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I wanted to provide this forum with an update on my progress on my problem. I shipped my Glock G27 off to the factory this afternoon via FedEx Overnight at a cost of $64.47 with Insurance. I paid $549.99 for the gun plus $32.99 Sales Tax plus $2.00 for the Background Check plus a $3.00 Gun Tax. With the return shipping, my total cost is now up to $652.45 for my first foray into the Glock Community. Thatís a lot to pay for a gun that cost less than $100 to manufacturer. Yeah, I know itís hard to believe. Everyone should start by reading the book Glock: The Rise of Americaís Gun! I think that most people that are reading this forum would really enjoy it.


It's hard for me to believe that ANY manufacturer, even Glock, or their professional representative would SUGGEST that itís NORMAL for a recoil spring to jump out itís assigned position and gouge (metal on plastic) the polycarbonate frame of a gun every time itís fired or cycled by hand! John Browning would be turning over in his grave to hear such a absurd story or his ghost would be wailing in extreme pain!

I'll keep people posted of the outcome to my G27 problem.
This is the link to photos of the my Glock damages:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/feh3h8xusxond28/R12IwAMjHK

I am very sorry to read about your dilemma. I took a look at you photos and that's about how the inside of my 26's frame appears. When you field strip your 27, is it hard to take down? If that is the case, then it is your field stripping that is doing the damage and not the actual shooting. Maybe your RSA is so warped that it is disengaging and causing the damage when firing. Hopefully Glock replaces your frame and RSA. You should have been sent a prepaid shipping label from Glock.


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