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Clearblue 03-02-2012 08:37

1st AR
 
Im new to the AR platform, except for shooting my dad's as a young teen. My LGS has a Stag model 3 that I'm interested in. Any complaints about their quality or reliability? Should I spend a little more and get the gas piston version?(model 8) or another brand? (Spikes, Daniel Defense)

Also, am interested in the Franklin 7.5" AR pistol. Looks like it would be fun to should and a capable HD weapon Anything bad with those?

svtpwnz 03-02-2012 08:57

Daniel Defense, Colt 6920, Bravo Company is what I would be looking for. Get a quality AR that is ready to run right out of the box that you won't have to worry about later on down the road. The Colt can be had for under a grand and is a damn fine rifle.

jem375 03-02-2012 09:01

Nothing wrong with Stag, if you want it, buy it and shoot it, will work just fine..

M&P15T 03-02-2012 09:09

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Originally Posted by Clearblue (Post 18655665)
Also, am interested in the Franklin 7.5" AR pistol. Looks like it would be fun to should and a capable HD weapon Anything bad with those?

You're asking if there's any draw-backs to using a 7.5" AR pistol as an HD weapon?:rofl::rofl:

mixflip 03-02-2012 09:09

My 1st AR was a DPMS, then later a Stag. Both did everything I wanted and needed at my level of knowledge at the time.

Im buying another AR soon and it will be a Colt 6920. Read the thread on "AR resale value" that was recently posted and watch Sturmgewehre's video on the Colt 6920 if you want to know why I decided to go this route.

Yes its a few hundred more than its competitors but as wiz-bang-super AR companies come and go... the old Colt is timeless. Not the best, not the worst but the easiest to sell and the most likely to retain,if not grow in value. (such as the discontinued LE marked models)

jamesbern 03-02-2012 09:33

What's the price on the Stag out the door?

Glock 1 03-02-2012 10:51

I have a LE6920 arriving Monday and a SP6920MP arriving Tuesday. I bought them for the same reasons as listed by mixflip.

Clearblue 03-02-2012 14:39

Price out the door is about $1050 for the Stag model 3.

I've got the shotgun (Reminton 870 tactical) for HD covered, and was thinking the AR pistol would be fun and good for a possible zombie invasion.

cyphertext 03-02-2012 15:05

The model 3 has an $895 price tag on Stag's web page. The price you quoted seems kinda high, unless you have added sights or some other accessories.

svtpwnz 03-02-2012 15:21

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Originally Posted by Clearblue (Post 18657025)
Price out the door is about $1050 for the Stag model 3.

I've got the shotgun (Reminton 870 tactical) for HD covered, and was thinking the AR pistol would be fun and good for a possible zombie invasion.

Hell with that! I would get the Colt all day long over that Stag! Just my .02

Clearblue 03-02-2012 15:33

Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

svtpwnz 03-02-2012 15:39

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Originally Posted by Clearblue (Post 18657268)
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

Nah, they are complete equals. Have fun with your new Stag.

cyphertext 03-02-2012 15:57

The Colt will come with a 4150 CMV barrel, the bolt and barrel will be MP and HP tested, it will have the M16 BCG instead of a semi auto BCG, barrel will be 1:7 twist instead of 1:9 twist, and maybe a few other dotted i's and crossed t's so that it can me marketed as meeting "mil-spec". You can add all this to your Stag for another $100, if it is important to you.

Honestly, if I was spending that money and could find one in stock, I would buy the Colt too. You can get that rail handguard from Stag and replace the handguards on the Colt and still be ahead.

WoodenPlank 03-02-2012 17:03

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Originally Posted by cyphertext (Post 18657360)
The Colt will come with a 4150 CMV barrel, the bolt and barrel will be MP and HP tested, it will have the M16 BCG instead of a semi auto BCG, barrel will be 1:7 twist instead of 1:9 twist, and maybe a few other dotted i's and crossed t's so that it can me marketed as meeting "mil-spec". You can add all this to your Stag for another $100, if it is important to you.

Honestly, if I was spending that money and could find one in stock, I would buy the Colt too. You can get that rail handguard from Stag and replace the handguards on the Colt and still be ahead.

Replacing the barrel and BCG will cost a LOT more than $100 to match the quality of a BCM, Colt, LMT, etc...

svtpwnz 03-02-2012 17:35

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Originally Posted by WoodenPlank (Post 18657600)
Replacing the barrel and BCG will cost a LOT more than $100 to match the quality of a BCM, Colt, LMT, etc...

+1 A BCM/DD BCG is $130 just by itself.

cyphertext 03-02-2012 18:45

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Originally Posted by WoodenPlank (Post 18657600)
Replacing the barrel and BCG will cost a LOT more than $100 to match the quality of a BCM, Colt, LMT, etc...

What I meant was that for $100, Stag has the Plus package that matches "spec". Never handled a Stag, so I can't speak to the "quality" vs. Colt. Remember, I shoot a mere S&W M&P Sport. :whistling:

Javelin 03-02-2012 20:11

Gas piston - no

If you have some coin I would look at KAC or Noveske. Else the Colt 6920, LMT..etc.

:wavey:

RJHUB 03-02-2012 20:45

Got a Stag model 3. Shoots great.
Have shot quality ammo and the cheapest steel case.
Paid $799 with 100rnds of ammo thrown in. I liked the small dia. Diamond head hand guard.
Is it mil.spec.? Look at barrel markings.
Does it have any extras. Mine was bare bones.

I have seen a few Colts lately for about the price you qouted.

G30Mike 03-02-2012 20:46

I went with the Colt 6720. I would definitely recomment what others have. Colt, BCM, DD, or if you have the money....Noveske. My next M4 will be from Noveske no doubt.

mixflip 03-02-2012 20:51

Nowadays EVERYBODY makes a "mil-spec" models. Keep in mind only 3 companies have been entrusted with the DOD TDP's (technical data package) to make a true mil-spec rifle (less the select fire of course, for civilians)

Colt, FNH and Sabre Defense.

This doesnt mean they are the best. It just gives them a little clout and maybe some perceived re-sale value. Are they better? No. Will there be folks who will buy them over other brands based on name alone? Absolutely.

WoodenPlank 03-02-2012 21:57

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Originally Posted by mixflip (Post 18658673)
Nowadays EVERYBODY makes a "mil-spec" models. Keep in mind only 3 companies have been entrusted with the DOD TDP's (technical data package) to make a true mil-spec rifle (less the select fire of course, for civilians)

Colt, FNH and Sabre Defense.

This doesnt mean they are the best. It just gives then a little clout and maybe some perceived re-sale value. Are they better? No. Will there be folks who will buy them over other brands based on name alone? Absolutely.

...and only two of those still exist.

BBJones 03-02-2012 22:52

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Originally Posted by Clearblue (Post 18657268)
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

Yes it cuts up your food for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svtpwnz (Post 18657288)
Nah, they are complete equals. Have fun with your new Stag.

:)

Cole125 03-03-2012 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clearblue (Post 18657268)
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

:popcorn:


Really you cannot go wrong with Stag. Guys will tell you you need a top of the line AR. That is fine if you have the money but unless you are a hard use operator you will not be able to tell the difference between middle of the road and high end ARs.

Magelk 03-03-2012 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clearblue (Post 18657268)
Ive got sights added to get the price to the $1050.

Why is the Colt better? Does it do something better? Does it have a lifetime warranty? Does it cut you food up for you? What makes it better ?

Colt has a 1 year warranty.
Stag is lifetime.

Colt has a shot peened bolt, Stag doesn't.
Colt's gas key will be properly staked, Stag's - maybe.

Colt's barrel will be 11595E, Stag will be 4140.

Colt's barrel will be HPT/MPI, Stag does batch testing.

Same with the bolt.

Colt will be 1 in 7 twist, Stag will be 1 in 9.

What's all that mean? Nothing to most people. Figure out what you really want and if any of that matters to you. The shot peening of the bolt is in my opinion, the one thing stag shouldn't leave out.

Clearblue 03-08-2012 22:48

Well with all that, I looked at a few others. I like the pieces of all of them. So I think I will just build one. I found a Stag lower for a good deal and I like the Daniel Defense trigger feel, so that will be the parts kit. I saw a Fail Zero complete BCG, got to go with that. As for the upper, since I'm a lefty, I am still looking at the Stag model 3 with the railed forend and flip down metal sights. I'm not shooting heavy ammo, so I think the 1:9 twist will be fine. A mil spec buffer and Magpul adj. stock and MBUS flip down sights and I'm good to go. And now for under $1000


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