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clogspecialist 02-14-2012 23:22

SPRINGFIELD!?! how could you?!?
 
As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.

faawrenchbndr 02-15-2012 02:33

They are NOT discontinuing the GI model.
They ARE back ordered sooooooo deep, Soringer pulled the GI from the listings on the website.

bac1023 02-15-2012 05:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr (Post 18581769)
They are NOT discontinuing the GI model.
They ARE back ordered sooooooo deep, Soringer pulled the GI from the listings on the website.

Exactly

bac1023 02-15-2012 05:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by clogspecialist (Post 18581515)
As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.


I'd sell your Glock outright and find a GI on Gunbroker.

Quack 02-15-2012 07:16

Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

On TOS i believe there was a guy that was told that the back orders for the GI would be cancelled at the end of 2011.

bac1023 02-15-2012 07:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quack (Post 18582305)
Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

On TOS i believe there was a guy that was told that the back orders for the GI would be cancelled at the end of 2011.

Wow, very interesting.

Why would that be exclusive to just the GI though?

silversport 02-15-2012 09:47

well...IF Imbel raises the stakes to get more money, Springfield might respond with "we'll source frames from another vendor and finish them ourselves."...just speculation on my part of course...but may provide the impetus...

Bill

MStarmer 02-15-2012 10:07

They're not going to get any cheaper, if it were me I'd spend a few bucks extra and get the mil-spec. Still a good representation of the original with a few worthy upgrades that most people do anyway. That's what I was after but ended up with a Loaded instead, too good a deal to pass up and I thought it was a good value.

Quack 02-15-2012 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by bac1023 (Post 18582410)
Wow, very interesting.

Why would that be exclusive to just the GI though?

My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.

Quack 02-15-2012 10:23

fromt TOS:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggy Darb (Post 3567002)
That's why I bought (thought I did anyway) one. It also doesn't have the enlarged ejection port. I know that isn't really preferred for practical applications, but if you want something as close to the original as possible without spending a lot more, that was it.

Here's what someone from SA emailed me:

"...While the PW9108 is not being discontinued it is on an indefinite backorder and we are going to cancel all back orders after the first of the year. It is not likely that you will receive the GI you ordered on the 3rd of October as there are many orders that have been much longer. I would recommend taking a look at the PB9108LP which is a very similar model that will be much more available. The PB9108LP Milspec is a little nicer gun that usually costs about $70 more than the PW9108LP but has over $200 worth of upgrades done to it yet maintaining the traditional Look of the GI...."

They sent me another email a while back indicating that they had a huge back-order situation. I never thought that they would just cancel orders...It seems to me that they are doing it to shift buyers over to a different pistol while they catch up.


clogspecialist 02-15-2012 10:50

Just called about 20 different gunshops in the cincinnati area, ONE had a G.I (but it was stainless therefore im not interested) 3 had Mil-specs (which were also stainless, not interested) so my faith is now diminsished. I checked gunbroker and there is not a single 5" G.I listed, there is a 4" champion parkerized but i require the 5" barrel. i dont weant to just sell the Glock first because even though its only had about 300rounds through it, i could only get about $400 for it, that makes me about $250 of from a G.I

so should i attempt and do a massive complicated swap for the one in the state next to me?

I figure i could walk in and talk to em, then figure out a plan to have my local ffl ship my glock to them, maybe add $150 cash, and have them ship their G.I to my ffl. for all the exchange my local FFl would probably charge me $50 and maybe even the shipping, then i would be into it more than i'd like to be.

Maybe i should just suck it up and stick with my G20

rickrope 02-15-2012 11:46

I'm not sure why you're over complicating things here. Go get a copy of your dealers FFL, go to the store that has the gun you want. Take your G20 with you hand it to them and pay the remaining amount with cash or a credit card and have them ship it to your dealer. Done you should have the gun tomorrow.

:dunno:

Quote:

Originally Posted by clogspecialist (Post 18583175)
Just called about 20 different gunshops in the cincinnati area, ONE had a G.I (but it was stainless therefore im not interested) 3 had Mil-specs (which were also stainless, not interested) so my faith is now diminsished. I checked gunbroker and there is not a single 5" G.I listed, there is a 4" champion parkerized but i require the 5" barrel. i dont weant to just sell the Glock first because even though its only had about 300rounds through it, i could only get about $400 for it, that makes me about $250 of from a G.I

so should i attempt and do a massive complicated swap for the one in the state next to me?

I figure i could walk in and talk to em, then figure out a plan to have my local ffl ship my glock to them, maybe add $150 cash, and have them ship their G.I to my ffl. for all the exchange my local FFl would probably charge me $50 and maybe even the shipping, then i would be into it more than i'd like to be.

Maybe i should just suck it up and stick with my G20


Quack 02-15-2012 12:54

Pro Armament in Cuyahoga Falls Ohio has a pre owned GI for $599. Also try Vances in Columbus.

bac1023 02-15-2012 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quack (Post 18583064)
My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.

Makes sense

DaveJ 02-15-2012 16:30

OE Outfitters,which is just north of Dayton shows them on there website,don't know if they have them in stock or not.I have bought a couple of guns there ,nice people.

limbkiller 02-15-2012 16:39

2 gun shops in the Louisville area have mil-specs (not SS versions) for 669.00.

crazymoose 02-15-2012 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quack (Post 18582305)
Being back ordered is the story they're giving people. I have word that IMBEL wants a pay raise because they see what Springfield is selling them for. I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

Would not surprise me at all. I don't know what Springfield is paying the Brazilians, but I'm guessing it's nowhere near what they're charging. Same with the XD and the Croatians.

faawrenchbndr 02-15-2012 17:07

Thanks for the updated info Quack!

crazymoose 02-15-2012 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by silversport (Post 18582942)
well...IF Imbel raises the stakes to get more money, Springfield might respond with "we'll source frames from another vendor and finish them ourselves."...just speculation on my part of course...but may provide the impetus...

Bill

I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.

clogspecialist 02-15-2012 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quack (Post 18583716)
Pro Armament in Cuyahoga Falls Ohio has a pre owned GI for $599. Also try Vances in Columbus.

I appreciate the help Quack!

Mr.Reignman 02-16-2012 00:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by clogspecialist (Post 18581515)
As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.



hmmm I've owned Kimbers, Springers, Colt's RIA's and Taurus' ...... I'll be damned if besides looks the RIA and Taurus didn't shoot the best. Now granted, I modded the crap out of that RIA but reliability and point of aim? sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit. I wouldn't sweat a RIA, not one bit.

Snaps 02-16-2012 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quack (Post 18582305)
I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.

That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911

1911Tuner 02-16-2012 04:19

A cast frame is neither here nor there, as long as it's a good casting. The slide is the part that you don't want to be cast. That's where all the stress is. The slide and barrel assembly is the gun. The frame is no more than the gun mount and a housing for the controls.

silversport 02-16-2012 05:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazymoose (Post 18584759)
I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.

I wonder why they finish any of the less expensive models in Geneseo then (unless it was merely to increase output)...but I suspect a price increase too...

Bill

HexHead 02-16-2012 05:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickrope (Post 18583439)
I'm not sure why you're over complicating things here. Go get a copy of your dealers FFL, go to the store that has the gun you want. Take your G20 with you hand it to them and pay the remaining amount with cash or a credit card and have them ship it to your dealer. Done you should have the gun tomorrow.

:dunno:

This. Especially since you would use an online dealer.

Or call your local FFL from the other dealer and ask him to fax his FFL.


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