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BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 11:52

3 case ruptures BVAC ammo.
 
So I bought 500 rounds of BVAC to shoot in my Delta Elite. Ammo came in a bulk pack loaded in Armscor brass.

I take it to the range, bang, bang, BOOM! The slide is held back, I felt some particles hit my face and realize I had a case rupture. After inspection I realize I'm fine, the guns fine, my magazine is trashed, but maybe it was a fluke....

Load a 2nd magazine. Another one ruptures....
Load it again, same thing.....


So 3 of the 9 shots out of a 500 round box of ammo explodes. Something ain't right.


Thinking it might be my gun I load a hotter load, Winchester Silvertip 175gr. And run through 20 rounds with ZERO issues. Definitely an ammo problem, weak brass apparently.


Has anyone had good or bad experiences with BVAC and their Armscor brass 180gr's?


I have pics on my iPhone I can email if someone will post for me. Thanks

Also, I have contacted BVAC so we will see what they do. Currently quality control is deciding on what they want to do. I didn't have the lot number for them because I unload bulk ammo into MTM cases to keep a round count easier.

novasquid 02-14-2012 13:00

wow, that's troubling as i just recently placed an order for 1000 rounds from bvac.

BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by novasquid (Post 18578562)
wow, that's troubling as i just recently placed an order for 1000 rounds from bvac.

I bought through cheaper than dirt, what about you?

novasquid 02-14-2012 15:31

I placed a special order through BVACs outlet store for "full strength" 120fps 180gr JHP ammo.

_The_Shadow 02-14-2012 15:39

It would be helpful if you could post pictures of the blown brass cases...that would give beter insight into the issue. If you like you could e-mail them to me...

_shadow_(at)bellsouth.net Just replace the (at) with the @ symbol...

I can post them here afterwards.

purrrfect 10 02-14-2012 16:08

I Looked at the Delta Elite But liked the G 20 much better so i bought the Glock. I'm glad i did this thing has not skipped a beat.

I have used countless CTD BVAC cartridges and have not had a single problem out of my G20... in fact I think they are a great range cartridge.

You might want to buy a dependable Glock :dunno:

novasquid 02-14-2012 16:21

here's the pic:

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...0ammo/bvac.jpg

novasquid 02-14-2012 16:23

bama, please post up the response you get from bvac!

G33 02-14-2012 16:24

Gun causes bad ammo?


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10 fan 02-14-2012 16:51

Does it say armscor on it? I have shot 8 or 9000 rounds of the BVAC 180gr. FMJ from CTD (Listed as 1200fps,chronod at 1050) Half the brass is top brass,other has 2 stars with a line in between them. I ordered 1000 rounds from the outlet store ,have shot 300 with no problems at all and it chronod at AV 1197fps. Also friend got 500 of the same and it shot perfect in his new G20,I chrond it at AV 1196 and AV 1199 (10 rounds each) all top brass as with my new batch. :cool:

Foxtrotx1 02-14-2012 16:54

This is why you don't shoot re manufactured ammo. People just don't get it.

10 fan 02-14-2012 17:14

All of the ammo I bought from them is New, Never shoot reloads. At $175 + shipping for 500 at 1200fps why shoot reloads :cool:

ModGlock17 02-14-2012 17:18

The BVAC I used was underpowered, severely so (as someone already stated). They all had Starline brass, new brass.

Since the 10mm isn't all that proliferated, finding used 10mm brass isn't an easy task. So aside from local reloaders selling at gunshows, more serious reloading mfgrs (need high volume of brass) are unlikely to use them.

BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foxtrotx1 (Post 18579635)
This is why you don't shoot re manufactured ammo. People just don't get it.

I dont think this is remanufactured ammo. BVAC generally gets good reviews from what I've seen. All 500 cases say "Armscor". This was supposed to be 980fps target ammo.

Like I said before, nothing wrong with the gun, it shoots Winchester silvertips just fine, without even a hint of bulging.

This ammo is just loaded in cheap brass apparently.

BVAC wants me to send the ammo back to inspect on their dime. We shall see...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM5832-1.html

It clearly states "produced in Montana using reloadable brass, and NEW top quality components."

BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModGlock17 (Post 18579744)
The BVAC I used was underpowered, severely so (as someone already stated). They all had Starline brass, new brass.

Since the 10mm isn't all that proliferated, finding used 10mm brass isn't an easy task. So aside from local reloaders selling at gunshows, more serious reloading mfgrs (need high volume of brass) are unlikely to use them.

Yeah, I was thinking this would come in Starline brass so I could reload it. Kind of surprised me to see it loaded in Armscor. Maybe they just reserve the Starline for their 1200fps ammo?

ModGlock17 02-14-2012 17:31

Can a DE fire while "almost" (but not quite) in full battery ? Well lubed ?

May be a severely underpowered ammo would not cycle the slide entirely, so it didn't come back in full battery a small percentage of the times.

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10 fan 02-14-2012 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModGlock17 (Post 18579744)
The BVAC I used was underpowered, severely so (as someone already stated). They all had Starline brass, new brass.

Since the 10mm isn't all that proliferated, finding used 10mm brass isn't an easy task. So aside from local reloaders selling at gunshows, more serious reloading mfgrs (need high volume of brass) are unlikely to use them.

Does the Starline brass say starline or is it marked with 2 stars with a line between them? Thats what half of what I saved is. :cool:

BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModGlock17 (Post 18579807)
Can a DE fire while "almost" (but not quite) in full battery ? Well lubed ?


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Yes well lubed and in perfect firing condition, it shot 20 winchester rounds after this happened on the same day without a problem.

No it can't shoot prior to full lock up, firing pin wouldn't line up with primer until gun is fully locked up. It's not the gun.

ModGlock17 02-14-2012 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 fan (Post 18579859)
Does the Starline brass say starline or is it marked with 2 stars with a line between them? Thats what half of what I saved is. :cool:

Right. Gotta play charade a little. :)


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ModGlock17 02-14-2012 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by BamaBulldawg (Post 18579869)
Yes well lubed and in perfect firing condition, it shot 20 winchester rounds after this happened on the same day without a problem.

No it can't shoot prior to full lock up, firing pin wouldn't line up with primer until gun is fully locked up. It's not the gun.

Not the gun. I'm saying the ammo has less power to cycle the slide properly, if that is possible.


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BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ModGlock17 (Post 18579897)
Not the gun. I'm saying the ammo has less power to cycle the slide properly, if that is possible.


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I see what youre saying now. Yeah I don't think that's the case, this ammo didn't feel much if any weaker than the silvertips surprisingly.

_The_Shadow 02-14-2012 18:25

I was asked to post BamaBulldawg's pictures of the case blow outs...

Yes I would be inclined to believe the ammo and or brass are defective.
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...dow/photo1.jpg

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...dow/photo2.jpg

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/...dow/photo3.jpg

BamaBulldawg 02-14-2012 19:58

Thank you Shadow. My main point of this thread is to let folks know there may be a problem with recent production Armscor brass. This was my first kaboom and it's pretty startling when it happens. Not fun, be careful.

ModGlock17 02-14-2012 20:45

If you happen to have the brass that fired but did not fail, I would be curious to inspect more, this way:

-bend a straightened paper clip at right angle about 1/16", so you'd have a long L.

-probe inside the case down to the web area, where the other cases blew. Run the probe along the side wall, from the web outward.

-see if you can feel a crease/crevice near the web.

If it does have one, this would indicate the whole batch of cases is inherently weak... straight out of brass manufacturing.

Finally, I've never had an Amscor brass. A pic at the head showing primer and all the lettering would be nice.

Thanks!

blastfact 02-14-2012 21:00

Looks like a slam fire or the slide was not fully locked up. Look at the brass that appears to be very bulged around the web. Almost like the brass was not fully seated in the chamber.


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