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YtownGlock 01-31-2012 07:30

Frustrated and Angry at the Range
 
A month or so ago on a Thursday night at my local indoor shooting range, I was testing out some new defense ammo I recently purchased (Federal HST 165gr and Speer GD 165gr). I got to the range and it was PACKED. When I got inside there were 4 guys that had decided to bring their girlfriends to the range.

After shooting my first series of mags I holster my weapon and picked up my mags off the floor. I walked back to the bench behind me to grab another box of ammo. As i was loading up my mags one of the girls turned away from the stall and as she turned she covered me with the muzzle of the gun. She was roughly 10 feet away from me. I stopped loading my mags and closed my eyes. It took every bit of me not to flip out on her and her friends for improper firearm and range safety.

I figured it was her first time so I did not want to make a scene. I finished loading my mags and fired through my second series. I holstered my weapon, picked up my mags and went on to load them again. This time, a different girl did the same exact thing as the girl before her. I was so enraged that I completely lost my train of thought and screwed up on my next series. :steamed:

What made matters worse was that over the sound of gunfire and even with my ear protection on, I could hear them fooling around and laughing.

This was my worst night at the range ever. I hate it when guys bring their inexperienced girlfriends/wives/etc to the range and all they end up doing is screwing around and trying to impress them.

Anyone else feel the same way? :dunno:

Billua 01-31-2012 09:13

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Originally Posted by YtownGlock (Post 18511589)
A month or so ago on a Thursday night at my local indoor shooting range, I was testing out some new defense ammo I recently purchased (Federal HST 165gr and Speer GD 165gr). I got to the range and it was PACKED. When I got inside there were 4 guys that had decided to bring their girlfriends to the range.

After shooting my first series of mags I holster my weapon and picked up my mags off the floor. I walked back to the bench behind me to grab another box of ammo. As i was loading up my mags one of the girls turned away from the stall and as she turned she covered me with the muzzle of the gun. She was roughly 10 feet away from me. I stopped loading my mags and closed my eyes. It took every bit of me not to flip out on her and her friends for improper firearm and range safety.

I figured it was her first time so I did not want to make a scene. I finished loading my mags and fired through my second series. I holstered my weapon, picked up my mags and went on to load them again. This time, a different girl did the same exact thing as the girl before her. I was so enraged that I completely lost my train of thought and screwed up on my next series. :steamed:

What made matters worse was that over the sound of gunfire and even with my ear protection on, I could hear them fooling around and laughing.

This was my worst night at the range ever. I hate it when guys bring their inexperienced girlfriends/wives/etc to the range and all they end up doing is screwing around and trying to impress them.

Anyone else feel the same way? :dunno:

I do feel the same way but,

1) after the first time why did you not alert range personnel?
2) why after the second time did you stay and shoot without doing number 1 or leave the range? If you were THAT distracted, YOU could have had a lapse in safety.

Akin to, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

YtownGlock 01-31-2012 09:18

I did tell the range officer AFTER I was done shooting. I didn't stick around for the aftermath that ensued later.

Hedo1 01-31-2012 10:37

Public ranges can be scary. Private ones can be too.

A few weeks ago I was finsihed shooting and leaving a club range and a guy with a blackpowder rifle was standing in front of my car with his rifle pointing 180 deg from the target and directly at my car. I asked him what he was doing and he said he had a misfire and was trying to clear it. I told him not to point it at my car, he then started pointing it at me. I circled away and the idiot tracked me with his rifle under his arm. I yelled at him to stop pointing it at me. He responded "it won't fire I'm having a problem with it".

I went full Gunny on him and explained why he was an idiot and told him to leave his rifle on the table until he couldn't see my car leaving the club any longer. Honestly I was about a second away from disarming him.

Yang332 01-31-2012 10:41

Snaps.. that totally sucks. I probably would've blew up. Having a muzzle pointed at you once is already too much. I'm not willing to let it go. I'm glad you left if one piece though.

MannyA 01-31-2012 17:30

Gun safety is everyones responsibility.
I would tell the RO AND leave, because if I stayed and got shot I would be to blame. If I waited and someone else got shot I wou
would be to blame.

AA#5 01-31-2012 19:06

I've experienced that. I always alert range employees whenever it occurs.

A few years ago, a guy was shooting in a stall at an indoor range with three girls dressed like hookers (none wearing eye protection; probably didn't want to affect their makeup). He walks over to me & asks to see my ammo (cast handloads) & complains that they're getting hit with fragments "from that damn thing" (referring to my S&W 500). I said, "Ever hear of eye protection?" He just shrugged & returned to his ladies.

On the way out, I notified range employees (who were having a lunch break together - no one watching the security video). I reminded them of possible liability if one of them gets hurt after allowing them to shoot without eye protection. One of the RO's went out to speak to them.

W4CNG 01-31-2012 21:51

Thank God we do not have those Range Issues where I shoot. Everyone who is a first time shooter watches a Range Safety Video before going to the range. There is a Range Officer in each of the 3x8 ranges to insure safety. I have not seen any issues at the range as a Founding Member including the firing of a Fully Automatic 45ACP machine gun which has a separate Range Officer with it.

drewseph 01-31-2012 21:58

that would be frustrating, but seems like a perfect learning opportunity for them from an experienced and safety-concious shooter... just sayin...

sixgun2 02-01-2012 05:42

Got to be the weather, I feel for you. Just yesterday I was doing some pre qual tactics training with some local CBP (Canada Customs) when a individual beside me swept me good, was a waste of time an breath yappin" at him as he couldn't speak or understand Canadian. On a side note I promised the transplant team when I got a new heart that in my second life I planned on dying of old age, however that incident had me thinking otherwise.

eracer 02-01-2012 06:17

I haven't had that experience (although I did get painted in the face by a pistol's laser at a gun show once.) Still, I might have some cards made up that have this writing on them:

The Unbreakable Rules of Gun Safety

1. Always treat a gun as if it is loaded.
2. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
3. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

Then, if someone negligently points a gun at me I can hand them a card.

dosei 02-01-2012 10:39

Do you have any issues with road rage as well?

If your employer has an EAP, take advantage of it and get some anger management counseling. Hopefully that will give you the tools to enable you to politely notify them of their violation of range safety rules. "Miss, what you are doing can get you kicked off the range, because it is very dangerous. Keep the gun pointed downrange at all times or the range Safety Officer can kick you out." If they ignore you, you will be able to calmly notify the range SO who will deal with them. And you will be able to focus on what you went there to do...instead of loosing all focus.

Fatman73 02-01-2012 10:55

Seems like alot of that to me from my experience its either idiots with guns or gun snobs these days most cant shoot for crap. but they look cool after all thats the most important thing right??

Chesafreak 02-01-2012 11:47

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Originally Posted by Hedo1 (Post 18512199)
Public ranges can be scary. Private ones can be too.

A few weeks ago I was finsihed shooting and leaving a club range and a guy with a blackpowder rifle was standing in front of my car with his rifle pointing 180 deg from the target and directly at my car. I asked him what he was doing and he said he had a misfire and was trying to clear it. I told him not to point it at my car, he then started pointing it at me. I circled away and the idiot tracked me with his rifle under his arm. I yelled at him to stop pointing it at me. He responded "it won't fire I'm having a problem with it".

I went full Gunny on him and explained why he was an idiot and told him to leave his rifle on the table until he couldn't see my car leaving the club any longer. Honestly I was about a second away from disarming him.

I would be pissed off but understanding of a newbie that did this by mistake. However in a case like yours in which someone intentionally points his muzzle at you; I would have done everything in my power to ensure this guy is banned from the range.

Chesafreak 02-01-2012 11:55

Occasionally I take my girlfriend or others to the range. I always give them a safety brief ahead of time before hitting the range while we can still hear each other talk. I place the pistol on the table pointed downrange and they are expected to ONLY point it downrange and return it to the table pointed downrange when finished shooting. I stand over their shoulder while they are holding the pistol and if they rotate their body I place my hands on their shoulders to stop them.

eracer 02-01-2012 12:21

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Originally Posted by scubasteve23323 (Post 18516837)
I would be pissed off but understanding of a newbie that did this by mistake. However in a case like yours in which someone intentionally points his muzzle at you; I would have done everything in my power to ensure this guy is banned from the range.

Absolutely.

GlockinNJ 02-01-2012 12:33

I would have had words with the boyfriends. If the girls were newbs, it is their responsibility to assure they follow basic safety rules.

PEC-Memphis 02-01-2012 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by YtownGlock (Post 18511589)
..... I hate it when guys bring their inexperienced girlfriends/wives/etc to the range and all they end up doing is screwing around and trying to impress them.

Trust me, it ain't just the chicks being unsafe.


Quote:

Originally Posted by eracer (Post 18515642)
I haven't had that experience (although I did get painted in the face by a pistol's laser at a gun show once.) Still, I might have some cards made up that have this writing on them:

The Unbreakable Rules of Gun Safety

1. Always treat a gun as if it is loaded.
2. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
3. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

Then, if someone negligently points a gun at me I can hand them a card.

Oww man, you're just a range nazi. Everybody knows that the rules don't apply to everyone. There are plenty of 22-year-olds on this forum who are so knowledgeable and infallible that the rules don't apply to them.

larry_minn 02-01-2012 13:31

If you do nothing you are not helping them, the range, or yourself. (not even the rest of us gun owners) When a person is unsafe you should at LEAST tell range staff. If you talk to person and they are dicks, leave.

threefeathers 02-01-2012 16:23

Safety is absolutely first on a range. I would have quietly told them that this is the way to do it then turned them in to the RSO.

Blaster 02-05-2012 13:33

No one would get away with covering me with their muzzle without a severe tongue lashing! If they were the guest of a more experienced person, that individual would also be the recipient of my stern advice.

Rally Vincent 02-05-2012 18:25

Glad I don't have to worry about that here. You flag someone at the range with a loaded firearm, you're going to be wishing you didn't real quick.

Mr Spock 02-05-2012 18:33

I've had situations similar in the past, and I wi usually, in a polite but firm tone, explain to the person what they did and that it is a serious safety issue. If they don't correct the behavior I notify a RO immediately. I care too much about myself to let some Dbag at a range shoot me!

Before I take a new shooter to the range I sit down at home with them and every gun we will be shooting. We verify they are unloaded and go over controls, grip, sites, but above all safety. Don't have time to sit through my instruction and I don't have time to take you to the range. I consider that for their benefit and everyone's safety. I do it this way so we can speak in depth without the distractions and ear pro and really go over the safety rules.

Infinity23 02-13-2012 09:29

Simple rule of life I've followed:

Ask 'em, Tell 'em, Make 'em.

When they walked onto the range, there were signs with the safety rules, right?
(Asked them)

First time she flagged you, say something. Use it as a "learning" experience for her. Explain the rules of safety and SHOW her how to unload and show clear before walking off the line.
(Told them)

Second time she flagged you, unload and show clear that weapon FOR her and escort them to the RSO or better yet...the parking lot.
(Made them)

Gun safety is everyone's responsiblity...anyone can call "Cease Fire".

Just my opinion...

TxGlock9 02-15-2012 02:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 18534724)
No one would get away with covering me with their muzzle without a severe tongue lashing! If they were the guest of a more experienced person, that individual would also be the recipient of my stern advice.

You got that damn right.


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