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cole 09-03-2011 23:48

American Tactical M1911 Military
 
FYI: See sight issue in Range Report 3 & 4. See Range Report 6 for modifications.

Just picked this up new and I must say this is a very well put together production level, value 1911. Fitment of parts is MUCH higher than price point (and better than MANY other like-priced AND more expensive production 1911s I've owned and seen) and the gun feels very tight, smooth, crisp and solid overall. Some sharp edges, but nothing that can't be corrected easily. Time and rounds downrange will speak best to the actual quality of the parts and steel used (i.e. durability), but based on inspection and handling - at the $450 price point - IMO this is a hard 1911 to beat. I went with the "retro" Military model for the nostalgia (it's the 100 year anniversary afterall) and plain, old-fashioned function over form.

Update: Range report follows pics.

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Range Report 1:
Put 180 rounds downrange (230gr .452" LRN: 140x 4.5gr BE with LPPM primer at 1.150" and 40x 3.8gr BE with LPPM primer at 1.135", all with mixed brass). Used only the supplied ACT mag. (Note: ACT mags are not my favorites and I've had issues with them before.) FTRB in the second mag (round got in front of extractor) and FTE on the 6th (?) mag (last round jammed upon ejection in the port destoying the brass). All failures were with the 4.5gr loads which have proven too hot for my liking. No more issues after first 50rds, and no issues with the 3.8gr load. Round cycling (e.g. feeding) seemed a bit rough at first and smoothed up with rounds downrange. The 3.8gr loads were very nice and reminded me of 5" 1911 bliss. Solid, centered primer hits. Slight dinging of brass upon ejection from non-lowered port. Somewhat erratic ejection at times, but mostly a consistent spread of ejected brass (reminder these are mixed brass with variations in times reloaded and varying conditions of case rim quality). Sights are functional and shoots to POA. I did get some moderate hammer bite with the 4.5gr loads, and/or some rubbing raw from the sharp edges of the grip safety. Somewhat par for the course with this style 1911 grip safety tang with my hand shape. However, these 4.5gr BE loads (though they more-or-less match my Gold Dot loads) are too stout for plinking fun IMO (same in my G30 and Kimber 4"). After I run through the last 400 I'll run the 3.8gr or similar for range fun. Still, I took a stone to many of the sharp edges on my return home. I'm going to run ~500rds before disassembly and cleaning. So far, I really like this $450 retro 1911. I will keep this post updated.

Range Report 2:
100 more rounds downrange. One more round got ahead of the extractor causing a failure. I'll give this ACT mag until 500 rounds before dumping it. Overall, I can tell the gun has smoothed out. As a bonus, this gun has the USGI cut port but does not ding brass (something we reloaders appreciate). The smoothing of the edges via the stone helped quite a bit. I decided to clean the gun fully after removing the extractor to check tension. The tension was good and does not appear to be causing any issues. Replaced the FP spring with a spare Wolff XP spring. If anything, IMO the springs on this gun may be subpar, but that's easily and cheaply fixed. I remain pleased with the value of this retro 1911.

Range Report 3:
100 more rounds. Ran my Kimber Tac mag this tims w/ out issues. Shoots 230gr LRN about 6" high at 25 yards (this was the first time I went out past 7 yards). My gun has the wrong (shorter) USGI front sight when paired with the taller rear sight. (It was one of those "duh" (i.e. because I missed it before) moments when I noticed it.) I called ATI and they will send the correct sight set when it comes in (ETA unknown). Not a huge deal and I can fix it myself w/out ATI (via taller front sight or the correct shorter USGI rear), but annoying. DO NOT buy the M1911 Military with the shorter, rounded USGI front sight (see my image above) paired with the taller rear sight and expect POA = POI vertically w/ 230gr ball at 25 yards. It appears the issue has since been corrected on newer guns (though you could find a new old stock like mine apparently is) as the current/new model image(s) show on most websites shows the correct taller, non-rounded front sight.

Range Report 4:
150 more rounds. 2 FTF. Same issue as before: round getting in front of extractor. And, same ACT mag. Might be time to try another mag. Gun still shoots 6" high at 70', and I confirmed it shoots 5" left. I drifted the rear sight at the range with a sight pusher. That sucker was TIGHT! Getting home I looked more closely at the rear sight and it's too tall (as noted earlier) AND the sight notch itself is not centered. I mic'd it and there is a 0.01" difference when measured from the sides that seems to match the distance I needed to drift the rear sight right. So, I opened up the notch to balance the measurement and will see if I need to recenter in the dovetail. And, while I was at it I started to file the rear sight down to bring POI down. I'll just slowly go that route to get POI to equal POA with 230gr loads. Once set I'll cold blue or paint that bugger to touch it up.

Range Report 5:
180 rounds. 2 FTF. Same ACT mag. I filed down the rear sight and POA = POI now out to 25 yards. Got it right first time out using the math method to determine how much to take off. I also was able to recenter the sight once I evened out and opened up the notch as noted above. All set now. I think more and more the springs are crap in this gun. Wolff may be swapped throughout soon. I still think this is a nice, value, retro,USGI 1911 as long as the price is under $450 OTD new.

Range Report 6:
130 rounds. First time out with a new ("used") Detonics hammer ($10), rear sight ($5) and grips ($15). As noted in earlier range reports the rear sight was mismatched (from the factory) with the front sight height, and generally screwed up alltogether, and the wide spur hammer was biting my hand. I decided to fix both. THE REAR SIGHT DOVETAIL IS NOT MILSPEC (it's too big). So, I had to settle for the only sight I could find in the parts bin (at the gun show) that fit (I tried over 20 kinds), but it was not a USGI type. Annoying, but I did at least find one type, and only one, oversized rear sight that was a tight fit. Gun ran perfect (130rds) with replaced hammer and rear sight was spot on. Also put a spare/used Nighthawk follower & spring in the ACT mag which ran w/out issue. And, the grips look much better. IMO a definate improvement.
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Range Report 7:
Another 80 rounds in the recent configuration. All rounds fed and fired. No hammer bite. The firing pin stuck forward at the end of the session (dry fire to drop hammer). Wax and gunk build up from my reloads was the issue (last time I removed the FP was Session 2). Non-issue with firing a chambered round as FP rebounds off primer. Removing pin and taking a brass brush to it resoved the issue, plus some cleaner down the FP channel and hole. Slide to frame fit has loosened up some. A bit of a rattle to the gun now, like many fired USGI 1911s of old. Non-issue to me (as a retro USGI 1911 replica), but others may not like this. Still patterns well at 20yrds.

Range Report 8:
100 rounds. No issues.

bear72 09-04-2011 00:16

Congrats!

ftw13 09-04-2011 02:55

Filipino 1911s are rock solid,enjoy

bac1023 09-04-2011 05:03

I have the same model and love it.

Congrats! :cool:

3rdgen40 09-04-2011 07:05

Very nice Cole.Congrats.

jrs93accord 09-04-2011 12:38

Glad you like it. The ATI FX45s are some of my favorites.

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MajorD 09-04-2011 14:42

from what I hear them phillipino guns seem to have a reputation for more consistent fitting and function than some American guns, like kimber. The P.I. guns seem to be flooding the market right now, I would not be surprised if sales numbers show they are selling more than Springfield (NOT an American gun anyway) or Kimber.

cole 09-04-2011 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajorD (Post 17870600)
from what I hear them phillipino guns seem to have a reputation for more consistent fitting and function than some American guns, like kimber. The P.I. guns seem to be flooding the market right now, I would not be surprised if sales numbers show they are selling more than Springfield (NOT an American gun anyway) or Kimber.


I can say the fitment of parts on my gun exceeds many, many guns I've seen from Springfield and Kimber. The gun I bought is pretty much perfect for a $450 sample, and very, very comparable in terms of fitment at twice that price. Rounds downrange will testify to the quality of the parts themselves, as well as the steel throughout, and the gun overall, but fitment is very good and a great start IMO. The pictures I posted tell the story well IMO.

Many sub-$1000 production 1911s I see have owned and seen have gaps and non-squared fitment of parts, a protruding extractor end, slide overtravel on the frame, slide that sits croocked in the dustcover, slide that’s loose on frame, slide travel that is more rough, a thumb safety that lacks crispness or is too loose or too tight, a poor/mushy trigger, etc. In a $400ish gun I can forgive (some of) these, but on my sample gun, as noted, there are none of these imperfections, fitment is tight and all function of parts is very positive/crisp. All in all, based on handling, for a $400ish gun I'm very pleased (and I tend to be hard to impress) and look forward to the real test (i.e. range time) later this week.

Another image (of some key fitment areas I personally look for in any 1911 - mainspring housing fit, slide-to-frame fit/gap (note: dark area at top rail is not a gap but oil; see other image above), slide flush with frame in back, ejector housing fit, extractor flush in back and not croocked, firing pin stop fit (e.g. tight to not allow extractor to rotate), etc.):
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Now, ideally American Tactical does not screw up what’s now a great value 1911 by jacking up the price (e.g. Dan Wesson). For me, expectations and price tend to go hand-in-hand. Raising the price raises the bar/standard.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Jason D 09-04-2011 17:13

It's interesting they went with a wide hammer and old style safety.

cole 09-04-2011 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason D (Post 17871075)
It's interesting they went with a wide hammer and old style safety.

The AT M1911 seems intended as an earlier design "retro" (WWII?) mil-spec gun (with just a few changes). Trigger is longer and serrated. Compared to a more modern 1911A1, it lacks the frame cutout above the slide stop, the ejection port is not lowered or flared, and, best of all IMO, it lacks a FP block and FLGR.

Folsom_Prison 09-04-2011 17:36

Very nice! I'll have to check one out.

JK-linux 09-04-2011 17:40

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NeverMore1701 09-04-2011 17:50

Hadn't heard of these. They look very nice for the price. Any suggestions where I can read up on them some more?

bac1023 09-04-2011 22:20

Here's mine :)


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cole 09-07-2011 22:47

Bump with range report... :wavey:

bac1023 09-07-2011 23:02

Very cool :cool:

MajorD 09-08-2011 08:03

looks good for the price range.
it isn't really military tactical or American but what the hell!

fnfalman 09-08-2011 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverMore1701 (Post 17871199)
Hadn't heard of these. They look very nice for the price. Any suggestions where I can read up on them some more?

Do a search in this forum. There had been several postings on these ATI guns.

I'm tempted to get one meself. Probably the stainless steel Officer's type.

cole 09-23-2011 10:53

Bump with another range report and an issue with the sights you should be aware of if considering purchase.

RMTactical 09-23-2011 11:29

Yeah, I think these are a great value.


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