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JSandi 01-31-2011 12:24

The Anti-Cop trend that isn't
 
Between January 20 and January 25, 13 police officers were shot in the U.S., five of them fatally. Two officers in St. Petersburg, Florida, were killed*while trying to arrest a suspect accused of aggravated battery. Two more were killed*in Miami while trying to arrest a suspected murderer. An*officer in Oregon was seriously wounded*and another in Indiana was killed after they were shot*during routine traffic stops. The Indiana assailant had a long and violent criminal record. The suspect in Oregon is still at large. In another incident, four officers were injured in Detroit when a man about to be charged in a murder investigation walked into a police station and opened fire.

Some police advocates have drawn unsupported conclusions from this rash of attacks, claiming*that they are tied to rising anti-police sentiment, anti-government protest, or a lack of adequate gun control laws. Media outlets also have been quick to draw connections between these unrelated shootings. While these incidents are tragic, the ensuing alarmism threatens to stifle much-needed debate about police tactics, police misconduct, and police accountability.

Jon Shane, a professor*at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, told NPR the January shootings "follow some bit of a larger trend in the United States," which he described as an "overriding sense of entitlement and 'don't tread on me.'" Craig W. Floyd, chairman of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, told UPI, "It's a very troubling trend where officers are being put at greater risk than ever before." The same article summarized the opinions of other police leaders who think the shootings "reflected a broader lack of respect for authority."

Richard Roberts, spokesman for the International Union of Police Associations, told MSNBC, "It's not a fluke….There's a perception among officers in the field that there's a war on cops going on." Police critic William Grigg notes that Smith County, Texas, Sheriff J.B. Smith told the NBC station in Tyler, "I think it's a hundred times more likely today that an officer will be assaulted compared to twenty, thirty years ago. It has become one of the most hazardous jobs in the United States, undoubtedly—in the top five."

During his interview with Shane, NPR host Michael Martin linked*the shootings to the availability of guns. Salon's Amy Steinberg concluded "there is a disturbing trend and an increasingly pressing need to revisit the conversation on gun control."

Dig into most of these articles, however, and you will find there is no real evidence of an increase in anti-police violence, let alone one that can be traced to anti-police rhetoric, gun sales, disrespect for authority, or "don't tread on me" sentiment. (CNN is one of the few media outlets that have covered the purported anti-police trend with appropriate skepticism.) Amid all the quotes from concerned law enforcement officials in MSNBC's "War on Cops"*article, for example, is a casual mention that police fatality statistics for this month are about the same as they were in January 2010. Right after suggesting to NPR that the recent attacks were related to anti-government rhetoric, Shane acknowledged there has been little research into the underlying causes of police shootings.

In truth, on-the-job police fatalities have dropped nearly 50 percent during the last 20 years, even as the total number of cops has doubled. According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 279 cops were killed on the job in 1974, the worst year on record. That number steadily decreased to just 116 in 2009. The leading cause of death for cops on duty is*car accidents, not violence. For the last several years, the number of officers intentionally killed on the job each year has ranged from 45 to 60, out of about 850,000 cops on the beat. That makes police officers about 50 percent more likely to be intentionally killed than the average American. But contrary to Sheriff Smith's claim, the job isn't among the 10 most dangerous*in the country, let alone the "the top five," even if you include officers unintentionally killed in traffic accidents.

As for guns, Salon's Steinberg strangely came to her conclusion about "the pressing need to revisit the conversation on gun control" just a few paragraphs after she noted that gun sales have risen dramatically during the same 20-year period when police officer fatalities have plummeted. Last year there was an increase in officers intentionally killed on the job, from 41 to 58, which Steinberg characterizes this way: "In 2010 policemen killed on the job rose by nearly 40 percent, the greatest increase since 1974." That's true. But isn't it more significant that these numbers have dropped to the point where 17 additional deaths now represents an increase of 40 percent? In any event, 2010 also saw the smallest increase in gun sales in six years.

None of this is meant to denigrate the heroism of police officers who confront and apprehend dangerous people, and we certainly should honor and remember those who are injured or killed while doing so. But seizing on an anomalous series of terrible shootings as evidence of a nonexistent anti-police trend skews the debate on issues such as aggressive police tactics, police militarization, the use of Tasers, searches and pat-downs, and police transparency and accountability. Officer safety is important, but it should not come at the expense of the safety and civil liberties of the people they are sworn to protect.


http://reason.com/archives/2011/01/3...rend-that-isnt

Patchman 01-31-2011 13:49

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None of this is meant to denigrate the heroism of police officers who confront and apprehend dangerous people, and we certainly should honor and remember those who are injured or killed while doing so. But seizing on an anomalous series of terrible shootings as evidence of a nonexistent anti-police trend skews the debate on issues such as aggressive police tactics, police militarization, the use of Tasers, searches and pat-downs, and police transparency and accountability. Officer safety is important, but it should not come at the expense of the safety and civil liberties of the people they are sworn to protect.
I this this paragraph (the last paragraph of the essay) pretty much reveals the writer's anti-LE slant.

Rohniss 01-31-2011 13:53

What absolute crap.

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As for the commentary, I think I know where a lot of GnGers get their talking points from now.

SKSman57 01-31-2011 14:25

This pathetic humanist libertine piece of filth has openly cheered for cop-killers in the past. His opinions are less than worthless.

BTW: Overriding sense of entitlement and disrespect of authority are absolutely involved in this increasing problem.

Rohniss 01-31-2011 14:53

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Originally Posted by SKSman57 (Post 16777812)
This pathetic humanist libertine piece of filth has openly cheered for cop-killers in the past. His opinions are less than worthless.

BTW: Overriding sense of entitlement and disrespect of authority are absolutely involved in this increasing problem.

Who the OP, or the Author?

Kadetklapp 01-31-2011 15:10

Garbage.

JSandi 01-31-2011 15:10

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Originally Posted by SKSman57 (Post 16777812)
This pathetic humanist libertine piece of filth has openly cheered for cop-killers in the past. His opinions are less than worthless.

BTW: Overriding sense of entitlement and disrespect of authority are absolutely involved in this increasing problem.

What about a public perception that there is an overriding sense of entitlement among cops and a demand for citizen respect and unquestionable submission to authority?

:whistling:

JSandi 01-31-2011 15:11

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Originally Posted by Rohniss (Post 16777993)
Who the OP, or the Author?

Radley Balko of Reason Magazine.

JSandi 01-31-2011 15:15

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Originally Posted by SKSman57 (Post 16777812)
This pathetic humanist libertine piece of filth has openly cheered for cop-killers in the past. His opinions are less than worthless.

Well I didn't expect him to be on anyones Christmas Card list here, considered that most of y'all are slightly right of the Kaiser when it come to law and order issues...

Rohniss 01-31-2011 15:16

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Originally Posted by JSandi (Post 16778141)
What about a public perception that there is an overriding sense of entitlement among cops and a demand for citizen respect and unquestionable submission to authority?

:whistling:

That's not a public perception, that's the perception of a bunch of Anarchist-lites, calling themselves Libertarians, who think they are somehow smarter than everyone else and have an grossly overinflated sense of self-worth.

In short, &*$% 'em.

mrsurfboard 01-31-2011 15:19

There is definitely anti cop sediment out there. The #1 source, our politicians. We are portrayed as pigs feeding at the trough of tax dollars. We are vilified for having the audacity of wanting to collect a pension they we have paid into without fail, while here in NJ, the politicians have skipped years of their contribution to balance their budgets and buy votes. How can you expect the public to respect us, when our leaders are bashing us on a daily basis.

tortoise 01-31-2011 15:23

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Rohniss 01-31-2011 15:29

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Originally Posted by tortoise (Post 16778255)
Still need to ask? :rofl:

And the Ignore list grows by one. :wavey:

No I'm good, I'm one of those twisted **** that likes to argue with people on the internet.

:rofl:

Didn't this forum use to have a "Troll Patrol"? I seem to remember one when I was lurking without a handle.

PinkoCommie 01-31-2011 15:43

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Originally Posted by JSandi (Post 16778182)
...most of y'all are slightly right of the Kaiser when it come to law and order issues...

You'd be surprised. I grew up behind the Iron Curtain. That experience instilled in me a healthy defiant streak. I fully understand the irony behind someone with my world view becoming a cop. I avoid political debates on CT and in other cop forums (internet or meat-space) because my political views are quite different from the majority of cops I know. I am very skeptical when it comes to government use of power. Because I am a cop, it means that I am very judicial in when I decide to press an issue, simply because I think that the government sticks its ugly nose in too many areas where it doesn't belong.

HOWEVER, I am a cop. I am paid to enforce the law. That sometimes puts me in risky situations that arise out of concepts I may or may not wholly agree with. I do it because law makers (whom I may also agree or disagree with) enacted laws, and the people have entrusted me with making sure that if someone breaks one of those, that person will get an appointment with a judge, who will examine the incident in some detail. I am not an ordinance whore, and I do not write every equipment violation I see or stop. I try not to lose sight of the fact that I am a citizen as well as a cop, and I try to treat people as I would like to be treated (as a citizen, not a cop).

The other side of the coin is that, like any other citizen, I expect to go home at the end of my shift and spend quality time with my wife and kids. Because the citizens have put me in a role where, on their behalf, I take certain kinds of risks, I expect that they will allow me to take certain actions to minimize those risks. No, I DEMAND that they allow me to do that. I think I am reasonable in what I ask. Just because I am a cop does not mean I want to live in a police state. Been there, done that. It sucked. I do what I do with great respect for the law and people's rights. I will also do what I need to do to ensure that others respect my rights, including the right to go home in one piece.

SKSman57 01-31-2011 16:00

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Who the OP, or the Author?
The Author, with his veneration of cop-killer Ryan Frederick. He's in the same mold as Vin Suprynowicz who wrote "The Ballad of Carl Drega".

I don't know what it is about these libertines and their craziness, but as a poster here pointed out, an over-inflated sense of self-worth is definitely among the possibilities.

SKSman57 01-31-2011 16:01

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What about a public perception that there is an overriding sense of entitlement among cops and a demand for citizen respect and unquestionable submission to authority?
Holy Strawman Batman!

CAcop 01-31-2011 16:20

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Originally Posted by JSandi (Post 16778182)
Well I didn't expect him to be on anyones Christmas Card list here, considered that most of y'all are slightly right of the Kaiser when it come to law and order issues...

Nice broad brush. I'm actually more of a libertarian. Respect the rights of others and you won't have a problem with me.

JSandi 01-31-2011 16:26

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Originally Posted by SKSman57 (Post 16778508)
Holy Strawman Batman!

Damn!

There is intelligent life in here! :faint:

tortoise 01-31-2011 16:30

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TBO 01-31-2011 16:36

Why don't you research the assault rate. :cool:


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