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Let's see your trunk gun set up

G30SF/F-250 — Tue, 14 May 2013 02:42:42 GMT

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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

I don't have a trunk.........:dunno:

:cheers:

Same here.

TV shows you can't believe are still on TV

G30SF/F-250 — Tue, 14 May 2013 02:37:25 GMT

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Originally Posted by MadMonkey

Family Guy should have been put out of its misery on Season 7. American Dad and The Cleveland Show should never have started.

You sir, are no fun.

I will not be talking to you at the next get together. :upeyes:

:wavey:

Glocks and Front Sight Training Institute

Artable — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:52:11 GMT

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Info on G-35c

uspsgunnut — Thu, 18 Apr 2013 00:52:45 GMT

Anybody have any info on production numbers for the 35C.

TNX in advance

A Ray of Light on primers

Bill Bloggins — Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:46:06 GMT

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Originally Posted by KSUGLocker

My favorite LGS has primers. Pretty much every type except SRP. I haven't bought any because I'm resistant to $50/k. How much did you get them for?

$37/ 1000

NY 7 round in Mag. limit.

ny50ply — Sat, 13 Apr 2013 19:52:28 GMT

If I load my glock 26 with 7 rounds in the mag. and chamber 1 round. I only have 6 rounds in mag. or can I put 7 rounds in mag.
making the glock have 8 rounds total?

What is wrong with my leg?!

MIKES LAW — Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:06:42 GMT

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Originally Posted by vart

So, I started walking/running again to help lose weight.

I only went a mile, walked the first couple hundred yards, then started jogging.

No pain, just out of breath.

Drove to work an hour and a half away and when I got to work and got out of my car, my right leg was in pain when I extended it.

The pain is behind my knee and not the knee itself. It hurts only when the leg is being extended.

The injury occurred 2 weeks ago and very, very slowly getting better...

I haven't ran or walked (other than coming into work) since the injury.

Any idea what I could have done and any suggestions to speed up recovery?

Since it is slooowly getting better, I haven't gone to the doctor, yet...

I once had a similar thing happen and it turned out that one or more vertebrae had twisted just enough to put pressure on my sciatic (sp?) nerve. Before I got to a chiropractor I bought a knee support because it felt like you describe. FWIW

As suggested previously seek professional medical help as soon as you can.

Good luck getting back to health!

MSNBC: Your Kids Belong to the State

MIKES LAW — Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:51:08 GMT

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Originally Posted by 427

MSNBC Host Melissa Harris-Perry » All Your Kids Belong To Us - YouTube

Sure thing Mao.

Universal background checks can not reduce murder.

TheJ — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:02:33 GMT

The figure thrown about is something like 1.7 million criminals have been stopped but the overwhelming vast majority of those in that figure are not prohibited people. (And you know that because almost nobody ever serves time for it) It's analogous to the when senator Ted Kennedy was stopped five times because he was on the no fly list and claiming that stopped five terrorists and/or attacks...

The fallacy with so called "universal" (or otherwise) back ground checks is fundamental.
They absolutely positively do not reduce murder because they can't.

Sure it sounds all nice and warm and fuzzy with reasonableness to most folks.... But consider the following:

1) Nobody needs a gun to murder. Criminals have practically an infinite number of tools with which to do that with. They are often not even the most effective for murder. They are simply popular to use as a tool because of their convenience. But convenience is ONLY critically important for defensive purposes not for attacking others.

2) Practically nobody who has been "stopped" by background checks serves prison time. Even though it is a felony to even fill out the form if you're a prohibited person.

3) The overwhelmingly vast majority of people who have been "stopped" by back ground checks are simply folks who have similar information to prohibited people. I'm sure many were not in dire need of a firearm to protect themselves but certainly some significant percentage did need one for protection.

4) Most mental health records are not included (mental health is obviously the heart of the mass killer issue not so much common criminals) and when you start to research you see that it is quixotic to even try to fight through the privacy/civil liberty issues that prevent the reporting of many/most mental health issues. And nobody needs a gun to murder.

5) It is already illegal to sell to a prohibited person so the majority of folks who do, would not be running a background check regardless of the law. When you are bartering with a stolen gun for some meth, it is terribly unlikely you will be going to get a background check done. And nobody needs a gun to murder with.

6) Criminals and crazy folks can and often do simply steal guns (see Adam Lanza and Newtown) from people who are not prohibited. The most universalist super investigative inclusive background would still fail to stop somebody determined to get a gun to murder with... And more importantly nobody needs a gun to murder with.

7) See #1 nobody needs a gun to commit murder, mass or otherwise.

8) The justice department has already stated that a universal background check will never be effective with out a national registration. (In fact it will never be effective at reducing murder period even with registration but I suppose its possible to be effective at reducing gun use in general, but not murder). Registration as always always always lead to confiscation in every country that has had it. Even here in the US.

In summary the system is not just broken and practically unfixable (without trampling all over civil liberties) but even if it wasn't broken it still could not prevent any murder because fundamentally its not possible to reduce murder by restricting access to guns. Primarily because nobody needs a gun to murder. Back ground checks can and do ONLY negatively effect the ability of people to defend them selves.

North American Arms .22 Magnum

jruss004 — Sun, 07 Apr 2013 05:37:35 GMT

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Wondering about trades

DONMAGICK — Sun, 31 Mar 2013 23:57:17 GMT

HELLO, I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS A PLACE ON GLOCK TALK TO LIST STUFF THAT IS FOR TRADE FOR GUNS, I SEE LOTS OF TRADE GUN FOR GUN.

I MY SELF HAVE LOSTS OF STUFF I TRADE BUT I DONT GET RID OF MANY GUNS WHEN I GET THEM.

AND I TRADE GUNS FOR MORE THAN THERE WORTH MOST OF THE TIME.
EXAMPLE: SELLING A SNAP ON TOOL BOX WORTH 3000 NEW, CASH SELLING IT FOR 1100 AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO TRADE A GUN FOR MONEY OFF, THERE GUN WORTH 400 I WOOD TAKE 500 OFF... OR A FEW GUNS JUST TRADE EVIN UP.

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Gun ammo "hoarders"

starspangled — Sun, 31 Mar 2013 00:27:24 GMT

Buying for "someone" is for a specific, named person. Buying for an undefined person you may or may not sell to in the future isn't "someone", its "anyone"

Displays of ignorance

bigdogmurph — Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:17:36 GMT

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Originally Posted by NMG26

Perfect.

You did forget the period though.

:rofl:

period that's what the wife used to got

Benefits Of The, 'Reverse Chapman' Stance And Grip

Arc Angel — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 19:40:10 GMT

FIRST REPLY:

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Originally Posted by Arc Angel

http://www.tacticalshooting.com/videos

'Reverse Chapman' is all D.R. uses; and he speaks about it at length and very well. (Made a convert out of me!) ;)

SECOND REPLY:

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Originally Posted by Emmett4glock

Thanks Arc Angel; it was your glowing reports that prompted me to ask this question. Would you care to comment further on what you feel are the advantages of the Reverse Chapman? To clarify, did you experience less fatigue, better accuracy, quicker follow-up shots, etc?

What have I done now? :supergrin:

I can't approach this topic in the same way that D.R. Middlebrooks does; he is an internationally recognized championship-grade pistol shooter. Me? I am just an, 'old gunman' who, probably, likes ‘guns’ too well, and has done nothing more than to very carefully study this particular pistol shooting style.

Events similar to those which Middlebrooks describes as leading up to his own adoption of a, ‘Reverse Chapman’ stance (or, ‘grip’ if you want to get really technical) have, also, occurred to me. Over the years, and along with everybody else in the sport, I went through the usual pistol shooting experiences: Started out shooting one-handed (postal) pistol matches, used the old, dated and muddled, ‘FBI combat pistol techniques’, and went on to follow Jeff Cooper’s, ‘Weaver Method’ of two-handed pistol shooting which Cooper’s gun club developed at Big Bear, CA.

I found the Weaver Stance to work well with large magnum revolvers. It was, also, a vast improvement over the old one-handed hold. For speed shooting - and, again, like everybody else - I found an Isosceles Stance to be easier to manipulate a pistol with than the Weaver. The big problem with an Isosceles Stance, though, is the tension which builds up in your arms while you use it - especially on multiple targets. The Isosceles is too rigid, and can prevent a shooter from moving well with a pistol through a series of shots.

The Chapman Stance, or, ‘Modified Isosceles’ provides, both, a lot more flexibility in the upper torso, as well as quicker and more fluid movement of the pistol from target to target; however, the existing high shooter fatigue factor is still present; and, in my opinion, this fatigue factor is primarily responsible for a lot of the misses and mistakes that end up showing on a target. As Middlebrooks sagely points out: You CAN train around it; however, it’s even better if you don’t have to deal with it at all! The question becomes, ‘What is the principal cause of shooter: fatigue, misses, and mistakes in (high quality) pistol shooting?

Now I’m not, ‘the last word’ in pistol shooting - OK. :winkie: So let’s remember that you’ve asked me for my opinion: In my opinion, increased (or, ‘hard’) tension in the muscles AND along the tendons of the gun hand’s upper forearm makes a significant contribution to the most commonly occurring pistol shooting mistakes. The less, ‘management of’ or, ‘working around’ this tension and fatigue a pistol shooter has to do, the better he’s going to: aim, fire, and control his pistol; AND, a shooter is going to be able to do this for a longer period of time, as well.

Let’s take the specific example of a right-handed pistol shooter who consistently, ‘drops’ his shots and hits, ‘low left’ @ between 9:00 and 7:00 o’clock, over and over again. (Yes, I know that this area covers a variety of different pistol shooting mistakes; but - for a particularly, ‘dense’ reader like that, ‘devildog’ fellow I ran into on this forum the other day - THAT IS NOT THE POINT!) :freak:

Assuming that his grip is what it should be, and trigger technique is, at least, adequate then: If a right-handed shooter with a bad, ‘left and low’ problem were to straighten out his support (left-side) arm, slightly bend his gun hand elbow, and slightly cant his gun hand wrist in a downward direction, do you know what’s going to happen WHEN that pistol shooter pushes his gun hand into his grasping support hand (and arm)?

THE SHOOTER WILL, QUITE NATURALLY, FIND IT TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DROP HIS SHOTS INTO EITHER THE LEFT SIDE, OR THE LOWER LEFT QUADRANT OF HIS TARGET!

Now, the, ‘Reverse Chapman’ stance is NOT a, ‘panacean cure-all’ for generally lousy pistol shooting. A shooter’s: grip, front sight management, and trigger control still have to be correct and what they should be; however, the use of a, ‘Reverse Chapman’ stance allows an experienced pistol shooter to have one less problem to overcome while he’s manipulating a pistol. What is more, I have found the, ‘Reverse Chapman stance’ to be increasingly useful as the pistol I’m using becomes smaller and smaller.

NOTE: I don’t want to address the subject of, ‘quicker follow-up shots’ in this reply. That would require me to expand my answer into far more depth than I care to get into right now. I’ve tried to say this correctly; and I hope I’ve been able to help you out. :)

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...2#post20127932

Trigger Flinch, What It Is And How To Get Rid Of It

Arc Angel — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:49:00 GMT

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Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer

You are anticipating the recoil. The short grip shows it less. It is subconscious.

The cure is a surprise break. Pull the trigger so slow that you don't know when it will fire. Take 30 seconds to slowly and steadily pull the trigger straight back toward the rear sight while keeping the sights on target.

If you don't know when the gun will fire, your brain won't know when to flinch, thus your hands won't be suddenly moving in anticipation of the recoil at that split second before the BOOM.

Later you can speed the trigger up after you've learned the basics.

:thumbsup: That's a very savvy reply! I suggest you think about it. Butch's blog article on trigger control is a, 'must read' too.

It will, quite possibly, save you a lot of ammunition if you get yourself out of a conventional Isosceles Stance, and switch to a, 'Reverse Chapman' stance, instead. 'Why'? Because a lot of your problem is being caused by excess tension along the tendons of your upper (gun hand) forearm.

This excess tension is working against you, and actually exaggerating your tendency to, 'jerk' the trigger as the sear breaks. When you do this put a little more downward bend in your strong wrist, too - Try this for awhile and I'm sure that you'll see what I mean. ;)

SECOND REPLY:

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Originally Posted by ditto1958

Try aiming higher and more to the right.

I�m sure you know better - Right! :supergrin:

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Originally Posted by Tscglock

I have always had an issue shooting low and to the left until recently. I shoot fairly often, and I have narrowed it down to 100% anticipation. What was said about dry firing with some snap caps helps ALOT (or at least it did for me). For me, there is something in my brain that is not allowing me to NOT anticipate the recoil. This will improve with more trigger time I�m sure.

What I have found to help tremendously is load up 2 mags (or 1) at the range and randomly mix some snap caps in the mags with the live ammo. If you have a shooting buddy, have them load it, if not, then just don't pay attention to the order. This way when your firing that mag, every time you get to a snap cap, you can see how bad you are pulling or dipping the gun. It has see to work fairly well for me ...

Here is my last range visit, still anticipating the shot a little but getting much better from what I was ... 7 yards, 50 rounds, G19 gen 3 NIBx ... keep in mind, this is like an 8in target I believe ...

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps1db3bbc9.jpg

Keep practicing man, you will get a lot better.

It�s not really, �anticipation�. (The term is too broad!)

There are two different types of - for lack of better words - what I will call, �HYSTERICAL TRIGGER FLINCH�: Pre:ignition, and Post:ignition. Neither is the same thing as what I�m going to describe as, �AUTONOMIC AIMING REFLEX�.

Hysterical, pre:ignition flinch occurs at the same time as the trigger is pulled and BEFORE the primer ignites. It usually happens when the fingers of the gun-hand are progressively tightened, thereby, causing the trigger to, �jerk�. When this happens the muzzle tends to drop while it is pulled toward the weakest part of the enclosing hand. (Toward your body�s vertical centerline.)

Hysterical, post:ignition flinch occurs as the sear breaks and AFTER the primer has ignited. The most noticeable difference between, �pre�, and, �post� ignition flinching is one of degree (or, extent). Pre:ignition flinching cause more deviation from the original point-of-aim than post:ignition flinching does. Hence the term, �trigger jerk� is often used. Low left POI�s are a very common.

It�s taken me most of my lifetime in the shooting sports to realize that: �Not all flinching is flinching.� Something else is, also, taking place. ALL flinching is NOT actually an undesirable learned response to, what is so often called, �negative stimulii�. Instead, �hysterical flinching� is actually a necessary - BUT, IMPROPERLY TIMED - autonomic reflex action to a handgun going off. (You don�t know, �What� I mean - Huh!) ;) Have you ever watched someone fire a pistol really fast? You don�t see any flinching; do you! I will assure you, however, that some form of flinching is definitely taking place. (If it weren�t the handgun would end up pointing straight up in the air!)

How did I discover this? One afternoon I was firing a pistol very very fast and dumping one clip after another into the targets. Suddenly a round failed to go off; and guess what I saw my hands do? When the striker release my body instinctively initiated a perfect, front sight, �pull down�. For all the world it looked just like I had (hysterically) flinched - EXCEPT all of my shots had riddled the center of the target in the same way that they usually do.

I hadn�t flinched hysterically! Instead I had subconsciously and autonomically, �pulled the front sight down� in order to reflexively recapture my front sight picture. While the pistol was actually going off nobody watching me would have seen anything out of the ordinary except for the pistol going off. That, �flinch� was only observable during the middle of a shot string IF a cartridge primer didn�t ignite.

CONSEQUENTLY, IF YOUR AUTONOMIC TIMING AND BODY REFLEXES ARE PROPERLY SYNCHRONIZED THEN THERE IS NO, �HYSTERICAL FLINCH�. IF, HOWEVER, YOUR BODY�S AUTONOMIC TIMING AND REFLEXES ARE NOT PROPERLY COORDINATED THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT, �HYSTERICAL FLINCH� WILL APPEAR.

All of which tells you, �What� the physical problems you�re dealing with are; but, not how to correct them. For correction of, �flinching� problems I�m going to refer interested pistol shooters to the, �Flinching Inoculation Drills� popularized by, George Harris. Mr. Harris is a Firearms Instructor whose thoughts and opinions on the subject of, 'flinching', while not identical, are compatible with my own.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm...k-the-trigger/
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...9#post20087699

How To Rapidly AND Accurately Fire A Pistol

Arc Angel — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:17:36 GMT

FIRST REPLY: All the dry firing in the world will NOT teach you the proper way to manipulate a Glock trigger. You need to use live ammunition. A typical beginner's drill goes something like this:

1. Go to the range, and work at 7.5 yards.

2. Aim at a large (B-27, or standard-size IDPA) target.

3. Take up the, 'front end slack' in the trigger.

4. PRESS through the trigger break.

5. While you're learning, hold the trigger to the rear of its limit-of-travel after the shot goes off. (Accuracy is not that important right now.)

6. Next move your trigger finger slightly forward until the trigger follows, and you experience a small, 'click'. The trigger is now reset!

7. Hold your trigger finger at the reset point and PRESS off another shot. Repeat the above procedure over and over again until you get it programmed into your autonomic reflexes.

8. When you get really good at this you'll know exactly how far to move your trigger finger forward in order to remain JUST AHEAD of the trigger's reset point. What you never want to do is, somehow, end up behind that point while you're attempting to repetitively firing your Glock.

9. With practice you should be able to take up the, 'front end slack', fire the pistol by pressing through to reset, and then repeatedly, 'bump' the trigger in order to fire repetitive shots.

10. A Glock does NOT have a 1911-type, easy let-off, single-action trigger; in time, though, you will get more than used to it. A, 'Ghost Rocket 3.5# Connector' can get rid of any overtravel for you.

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Hoggson

Thanks for the replies! Very good links.

I suspect the long 2nd stage is taxing my apparently limited discipline - I'm not quite staying with the sight picture all the way through till release. Maybe shooting the Glock will make me better with 1911s?

Sam

SECOND REPLY: I just read your last reply. Add this to the above trigger control regimen:

WHILE WORKING CLOSE, LOWER YOUR HOLD ON COM AND RAISE THE FRONT SIGHT UP UNTIL IT IS SLIGHTLY OUT OF THE REAR NOTCH. (IF THE SIGHTS ARE PERFECTLY LEVEL ACROSS THE TOP, THEN YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG - OK!) NOW, BEGIN WORKING THE TRIGGER. FIRE FOR GROUP. WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS EVERYTHING HITTING INSIDE A 4 TO 6 INCH CIRCLE.

When you can do this as quickly as possible all the way out to 15 yards I'll be glad to shake your hand and call you a pistolero! :thumbsup:

THIRD REPLY:

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Originally Posted by Clusterfrack

Hey Arc, can you expand on this? Why are you suggesting that he aim this way? Which of the sight alignments below are you assuming?

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/pict...pictureid=6401

NONE! The third picture is close to what I'm referring to; but, the front sight is, 'blotting the target' and is, therefore, too precise and too time consuming to use. Read what I said very carefully:

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Originally Posted by Arc Angel

WHILE WORKING CLOSE, LOWER YOUR HOLD ON COM AND RAISE THE FRONT SIGHT UP UNTIL IT IS SLIGHTLY OUT OF THE REAR NOTCH. (IF THE SIGHTS ARE PERFECTLY LEVEL ACROSS THE TOP, THEN YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG - OK!) NOW, BEGIN WORKING THE TRIGGER. FIRE FOR GROUP. WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS EVERYTHING HITTING INSIDE A 4 TO 6 INCH CIRCLE.

Next, look at these targets: The first one was fired at 16 1/2 yards with a G-21. The second one was fired at 7 1/2 yards with a G-19.

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/4903/1...yardtarget.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4271/srapid75.jpg

Here�s a final one, also, from 16 1/2 yards with a G-21.

http://imageshack.us/a/img145/5761/t...6yardrapid.jpg

What I can�t show you is the speed - the blistering speed - at which I fired all of these targets. When I fired the 16 1/2 yard targets a large group of police officers standing behind me began to applaud as I walked off the 16 yard line. (Which is one of the reasons, �Why� I kept the targets!) :supergrin:

IT�S A SIMPLE FACT THAT NOBODY - NOT EVEN JERRY MICULEK, HIMSELF - CAN FIRE THAT FAST AND CAREFULLY, �NEST� THE FRONT SIGHT ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

You�ve got to teach yourself, �How� to work the trigger at speed without taking time to carefully nest, or intimately watch, the front sight. Now, yes, I realize that the advice I�m giving out is atypical of the way in which pistol shooting is usually (Read, �always�) taught; but, to quote Jerry Miculek, himself, �I�m in a competitive business; and there are just some things that I�ve got to keep to myself!� (He�s right; but I�m an old man with a message that I�d like to leave behind. Part of this message is highly palatable to other gunmen like myself; and part of the message is less so. Consequently, it is my hope that,

IF, ON THE ONE HAND, THE QUALITY OF THE INFORMATION I�M GIVING OUT HERE IS WORTHWHILE, VALID, AND TRUE, THEN IT SHOULD BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH INTERESTS SIMILAR TO MY OWN TO ACCEPT THAT THE QUALITY OF THE OTHER INFORMATION I HAVE TO OFFER IS, ALSO, EQUALLY WORTHWHILE, VALID, AND TRUE.

This is the reason, �Why� I�m gifting people with an opportunity to acquire pistol skills and techniques that took me years in order to discover for myself, and cost me many thousands of, both, fired rounds and dollars in order to learn how to do well. Enjoy the gift! (Maybe something else that I�ve had to say might, also, prove equally useful to you. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Hoggson

Thanks, Arc. Will keep at it. I'm curious about raising the front sight out of the notch. I understand this will raise POI (hence holding below COM) but am not sure why this might help me. Would you explain? Sam

In a word, �TIME�. (In a CQB pistol gunfight it�s a, �luxury� you cannot afford.) ;)

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...1#post20121437

What Does The Bible Say About Homosexuality?

Arc Angel — Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:14:53 GMT

�For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:�

�Because, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image like unto corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.�

�Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed The Truth Of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than The Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.�

�For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use (of their bodies) into that which is against nature; and likewise also the men: Leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.�

�And even as they did not like to retain the accurate knowledge of God in their hearts, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those vile things which should not be done. Being filled with all: Unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, and maliciousness. Such as these became full of: envy, murder, debate, deceit, and malignity; and showed themselves to be whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, and disobedient to parents - Without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, and unmerciful.�

�Who knowing the judgment of God: That they which commit such vile acts are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have their pleasure in them that do them, as well.�

- (Romans 1:20-32) ;)

REFER: http://www.thebiblepage.org/biblesay...exuality.shtml

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Originally Posted by frank4570

So what. This country has a Constitution not a religious document.

:supergrin: YOU'RE FUNNY!

Your real objection is, however, NOT with me; instead it's with The Author of The Book I've quoted from. Whether you take your objection(s) up with God Almighty, now; or He takes the matter up with you, later on, the end result is still going to be the same:

YOU LOSE! :wavey:

As an historical aside: Over the past 5,000, or so, years of, 'recorded human history' no society of man has been allowed to endure upon Earth for too long AFTER the subject populus has allowed homosexuality to rear its ugly head and take root.

NONE! :shocked:

Think about that while you watch: The American Congress continue to secretly spend, 'like drunken lords on holiday'; American jobs continue being filtered out, and siphoned off to second and third world nations; (Which are becoming more and more like first world nations everyday.) and the costs of: energy, (gasoline) food, housing, and (Ready?) guns and ammunition relentlessly climb, and climb, and climb.

It's really too bad that people like you just don't get it! There's, also, one more thing I'd like you to reflect upon besides your genitals: Those dollars you're carrying in your wallet? They're, actually, worth less than a roll of quality two or three ply toilet paper! :freak:

While the boys are busy playing with the boys; and the girls are busy playing with the girls, the entire world around them is going to be, inexorably, coming to an end. Just because people like you don't think so, doesn't mean that it ain't going to happen. ;)

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Cat Fight

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TJ Superfly — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:28:47 GMT

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Those Megabusses bring more trash here than we can cart away to landfills.[/

Tomah,wi is midway point for the buses going from Chicago to moneyapolis. I was at the culvers once years ago when one stopped there. Seriously looked like a bunch of convicts getting off the bus.

Demoing chefs choice electric food slicer

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recoil spring

steelers12983 — Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:32:32 GMT

has anyone had a problem with the gen4 stainless recoil spring I had the spring wind over itself any one else have this problem please let me know and is this a normal problem or did I just get a bad one ?

PART ONE: What Does It Take To Be A CQB Gunfighter?

Arc Angel — Wed, 13 Mar 2013 04:46:34 GMT

Forget The C-1 Nonsense! What Does It Really Take To Be A CQB Pistol Gunfighter?

The primary focus of this article is not going to be on the, �mechanical requirements� of CQB gunfighting. Instead, I�m going to emphasize the correct and well proven psychological attributes needed in order to survive an, 'up close and personal' CQB confrontation with pistols.

First, you have to be able to, 'read' other people well; Yes, you�ve got to be faster and more accurate than most; but, in my opinion, you also have to understand, �Why� you never want to be the second person to draw and fire. So, I'd have to say that being able to anticipate - 'to see it coming' - is a highly desirable personal attribute for surviving any CQB pistol gunfight.

(While watching all of these reality police TV shows and dash cam videos have you ever noticed that police officers are trained to never wait to draw their pistols! Whenever a police officer recognizes that he's facing real trouble, his gun immediately comes out. 'Why'? Because THAT is the right way to do it!) :thumbsup:

Once you realize that you're in physical danger - danger from someone who might be faster, bigger, stronger, younger, or has an equal ability to reach out and strike you dead - your own continued survival requires you to be able to demonstrate a prerequisite ability to, both, mentally and emotionally, 'GO COLD' - 'GO COLD'! Whether this ability is genetic and inherent, learned and acquired, or both, I do not really know?

These psychological parameters may vary among different individuals. Some gunmen might need to demonstrate a great deal of (acquired) self-discipline while others might simply be highly neurotic. (I've known both types. All I'll volunteer is that the end result is usually the same.) ;)

Nevertheless this is, in my experience, NOT an easy thing for many, if not most, people to do. (Most people are neither neurotic, nor highly self-disciplined. Even neurotic people, though, still need some experience and a certain skill.) Hence the reason, 'Why' so many self-defense shooters, so often, miss their targets with so many of their shots.

I'm sure that different people accomplish, 'GOING COLD' in different ways; but I'm, only, able to speak for myself. Me? I'm a very passionate person; I feel my emotions quite strongly; consequently, when I get mad - I really get mad! (I think it�s the Sicilian in me!) :supergrin:

This reactionary state causes me to identify emotional, 'PASSION' as the single most important motivational factor behind, 'GOING COLD' or divesting yourself of any sense of either duality-in-thought, or hesitancy-in-action, and going into a, 'HARD FOCUS' on the target.

'A HESITANT, OR DISTRACTED MIND DOES NOT A GOOD GUNFIGHTER MAKE!'

Anyone who intends to survive a life or death gunfight needs to be able to swiftly push aside many of the customary moral and political considerations that all of us usually carry around inside our heads. In all of these discussions, in all the gun forum threads I have ever read or participated in, never once have I noticed anyone (other than on occasion, myself) disagree with the strong contemporary axioms: 'Thou shalt not shoot first!' or, �Thou shalt not be the aggressor!� (You want to stay alive, right!)

In today's often overwhelming and always politically correct Western World any sort of self-defense behavior like this - AMONG CIVILIANS - simply isn't publicly sanctioned; and, yet, without the willingness to shoot first - to strike the other guy BEFORE he's quite ready to strike you - the time required for a pistolero to morph from a competent CQB pistol gunfighter into an abnormally vulnerable target can be measured in milliseconds - Milliseconds! (If you�ve got to think about it, then it�s already too late!) :freak:

YOU, EITHER, MAKE THE CORRECT PSYCHOLOGICAL CHANGE (ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT) WHEN YOU SHOULD, OR YOU END UP DEFENDING YOURSELF FROM, 'BEHIND A POTENTIALLY DETRIMENTAL MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL CURVE'.

MAKE NO MISTAKE! IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE, BOTH, A GOOD POLITICAL, 'YUPPIE', AND A GOOD CQB PISTOL GUNFIGHTER ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

'Why' this highly practical behavior is, both, required and acceptable for ALL American law enforcement officers, but at the same time neither acceptable, nor condoned for citizen/civilians is a mystery to me?

STAYING ALIVE IS, AFTER ALL, STAYING ALIVE! :dunno:

There is little, if anyplace, in CQB pistol gunfighting for what I would refer to as, 'the noble virtues'. Anything that slows you down - i.e.: an unwilling (perhaps moral) hesitancy to kill, a rational (perhaps habitual) tendency to control your temper, an active (consequently restrictive) sense of imagined personal guilt, or a strong fear of having to face the presumed civil consequences of surviving such an horrific event - is very likely to get you suddenly killed or badly wounded while in the midst of a CQB gun battle.

A savvy CQB pistol gunfighter has to be supremely single-minded; AND, he has to be able to, both, see beyond and go beyond the normal civilized rules of social conduct - Rules which usually govern all interpersonal social behaviors and of which, albeit by varying degree, all of us are rationally aware and normally obedient to.

(Continued)

PART TWO: What Does It Take To Be A CQB Gunfighter?

Arc Angel — Wed, 13 Mar 2013 04:39:08 GMT

Forget The C-1 Nonsense! What Does It Really Take To Be A CQB Pistol Gunfighter?

Speaking in a mundane sense, a good CQB pistol gunfighter needs to be unfettered by most, if not all, extraneous intellectual considerations. He has to be ready, willing, and able to end life in, (quite literally) 'the blink of an eye'.

A talented CQB pistol gunfighter doesn't need to be particularly honest; he doesn't need to be particularly intelligent; and, especially in today's world, he doesn't even have to be especially morally inclined. In fact, while there are exceptions, it's been my general experience that most people who wield guns, today, possess few of these admirable personal virtues. (You can see this predominant intellectual phenomenon in action, right here, on Glock Talk just about every time you visit!) ;)

People, today, are taught to be largely passive and almost entirely reactive. Political correctness rather than traditional biblical morality, now, dominates everybody's public lives. The problem is that none of these politically correct, passive states-of-mind will help to keep you alive during a violent CQB pistol gunfight. Here your very first instinct, your very first action, must be exactly the correct response. When you're, 'one-on-one with guns' any mental waffling, or tractable emotional passivity will get you very quickly killed!

(David, the greatest king of ancient Israel, was acknowledged by God to be a righteous man. David remained acceptable to God until the night that he took Bathsheba and, thereafter, murdered Uriah, her lawful husband. Make no mistake: King David was an accomplished destroyer of tens of thousands of: men, women, and children; yet David remained without a culpable moral blemish before The Lord God Of Israel UNTIL he committed his first murder! THINK about that!)

What you have to be, what you have to do, in order to survive in the midst of a split-second, life or death gunfight is to be focused, FOCUSED, on the immediate task of simply staying alive -

IN MORTAL COMBAT YOU MUST STOP YOUR ATTACKER BEFORE HE STOPS YOU; AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE IF THE BAD GUY IS WIELDING A GUN.

As for myself, personally? I like to think that, at one time or another, in addition to being a competent gunfighter I have, also, been able to exhibit all of these other civilized, 'noble virtues' - Just NOT while gunfighting.

During a CQB pistol gunfight: A, 'cold mind'; a steady hand; a, 'hard focus' on the target; and an unfettered willingness to end life are, all, highly desirable personal assets. The right psychological attitude DOES make a difference! Without the exercise of these savvy personal attributes pistol gunfighting becomes an act of mere circumstance where almost anything might happen. To paraphrase Dr. Walter Prescott Webb�s sage aphorism;

'IT IS THE ABSENCE OF FEAR RATHER THAN THE PRESENCE OF COURAGE THAT UNIVERSALLY CHARACTERIZES A TRUE GUNFIGHTER.'

One thing's for certain: All guns have the real world ability to instantaneously reach out and end life. In contrast to Dr. Webb's statement I'm going to offer: In a CQB pistol gunfight, if you aren�t passionately angry then you are going to be gunfighting at a distinct personal disadvantage in, both, time and opportunity.

Now, while I would be (and hope I am) among the last people to advocate any sort of immoral behavior, at the same time, I realize that a hesitant or waffling mentality is antithetical to successfully surviving a gunfight. The key - the secret - to successful CQB pistol gunfighting is to be able to instantly acquire a clear mental, and cold emotional, 'HARD FOCUS' on the task-at-hand. (A mental and emotional attitude that rises above the violence with which you are confronted, OK!) ;)

Even fear might be acceptable as long as you are able to control it! Anger - while, perhaps, atypical for you - remains an absolute emotional necessity! The only other thing I�ll add is that every talented pistolero needs to know when to put his (otherwise genuinely useful) combat emotions to rest.

Ancient Roman gladiators - Men who had no choice other than to, �steel themselves� and fight to the death - also had trouble with letting go of their occasionally necessary hard combat focus. Today, the same psychological phenomenon is referred to as, �PTSD�.

(This is, �Why� I�ve never seen any glory in violent conflict. All violence is sordid, and (fortunately) doesn't usually occur too often. As much as any other Christian, I, too, long for the day when, �The lion will lie down with the lamb.� In the meantime, though, this remains the, 'devil's world'; and it's incumbent to know how to correctly handle a self-defense handgun - NOT just mechanically, but: tactically, mentally, and emotionally, as well.)

It doesn't take much to realize that CQB pistol gunfighting can be a very dirty business! Here, are a few stories about a number of the Old West's most famous (or infamous) gunfighters. Truly by no stretch of the imagination were any of these Old West gunfighters, �saints�. This web article is all about: cold, hard, ruthless and cruel, CQB pistol gunfighters! Cold, often morally obtuse, men who simply knew how to, 'work a gun' against other equally angry, �hard men� while they were, 'up close and personal'.

http://www.darkcanyon.net/gunfighter...e_old_west.htm

When everything is said and done it all comes down to the individual demonstration of:

(1) Well developed CQB personal skill sets, along with

(2) An almost instantaneous willingness-to-act, and

(3) A sudden, 'hard focus' on the target, and

(4) Anger - Yes, anger! (Hopefully a self-disciplined, controlled, and controllable emotional anger that is not beyond otherwise reasonable virtue.)

These are the only sure and certain personal attributes that are genuinely able to keep you alive inside of a split-second, life or death, CQB pistol gunfight.

If you require a strong visual image of these individual characteristics in action, remember the Hollywood movie, 'Heat'; and think about the curious psychological relationship that existed between Police Lieutenant Vincent Hanna (Al Pacino), and arch-criminal Neil McCauley (Robert De Niro); i.e., 'If that moment ever comes I will not hesitate, not for one moment, to shoot you!' ('Heat' was well written. McCauley showed the audience that he definitely KNEW what he was talking about. Too bad for him, though, that - in an apparent flicker of maudlin sentiment - he didn't take his own advice!) :upeyes:

Ammo choices, you never know

Ranger1759 — Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:17:53 GMT

Hey Ron, just posted on your subject....don't know where u are in Ohio, but sportsman's den in Shelby, Ohio have full shelves....plenty of 9 mm and 5.56/.223 even in bulk...prices are pretty good too...I didn't see any 22 lr, but they do get bricks on occation...

Ranger

Video examines Wealth Inequality in America

emmascott — Mon, 11 Mar 2013 06:29:00 GMT

A video called "Wealth Inequality in America" went popular early this month. Its title sums up its content and message. It shows in clear terms just how vast the split is between the richest and the poorest Americans. It is far broader than many people think. Article resource: Viral video depicts Wealth Inequality in America

Poorer not saving money

The mantra of personal finance gurus is "save, save, save!" Yet, statistics, surveys and reports continue to tell us that U.S. consumers still haven't gotten the message. That they continue to save at a much slower rate than people in other industrialized nations. According to Daily Finance, the average American family puts away only about 4 percent of its annual income.

But after watching the video, posted on YouTube by a user calling him or herself "Politizane," one may feel it is a wonder that the average United States consumer is able to save at all, given they have access to such a microscopic slice of the pie.

More complaints about the gap

About half of the people living in the nation control half a percent of the stocks, bonds and mutual funds in the country. In fact, the top 1 percent control about half of the total number of securities, according to the video.

Some want to know where the information came from, and the answer consists of an article in the Mother Jones magazine in 2011. The data for that article came from the United States Census Bureau, the Tax Foundation, the federal Reserved, Bureau of Labor Statistics and the New York City Comptroller.

Hoping for change in Congress

Sequester in Congress started on March 1 and is already starting to impact many average people. Congress keeps fighting though they are not affected by the change at all. On top of that, the top 1 percent is not affected or else the bill would have gone through by now. Certainly, legislators do what the top 1 percent wants instead of the general public.

Watch the video. It will take only about six minutes of your time, and it may just blow your mind.

Check out the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...;v=QPKKQnijnsM

Sources

Daily Finance

Time

Mother Jones

PART ONE: What, If Any, �Debt� Do You Owe To Others?

Arc Angel — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:33:53 GMT

Proverbs 22:21

�That I might make thee know the absolute certainty of the Words of Truth; that thou mightest answer with these very same Words of Truth to them that inquire of thee?�

Truth is absolute. It is not relative, open to discussion, a matter of opinion, subject to interpretation, or personal preference. Truth is a settled fact. It does not change with time, move with trends, or recognize different cultures or circumstances. Truth is not found by: sensitivity sessions, public opinion polls, political debates, or educational symposiums. Truth is the: sovereign choice, declaration, or command of The Lord God regarding any subject! Such is the nature of Truth!

�Why� did King Solomon write Proverbs (22:21)? To make his reader know the certainty of the Words of Truth, so that he could teach them to others! �Why� did The Lord God give the Bible to mankind? For the very same reasons! (Malachi 2:7; II Timothy 3:16-17) Here is God�s Absolute Truth! Absolute Truth is objective, identifiable, and communicable. It may be studied, learned, and repeated to others in exactly the original didactic method that The Lord God intended when He gave Sacred Scriptures to fallen mankind.

Mankind is lost! Men are, by their inherent natures, confused from birth itself. �Why�? Because their natural (empathetic) hearts are so desperately and deceitfully perverse. (Jeremiah 17:9-10; Romans 3:9-18) Natural men, quite naturally, reject the numerous Absolute Truths revealed to them by God through His creation. As a moral consequence and, in fact, punishment: God, then, retaliated by removing mankind�s general ability to recognize even the most obvious (and moral), �Truths of Being�. (Romans 1:18-32; Isaiah 44:20)

God, now, forces men to arrive at their own best moral AND scientific conclusions. When an inquiring man is correct (or, �right�) he may be rewarded; but, when an inquirer is incorrect (or, �wrong�) he may be punished for his mistakes. Therefore, men often create their own rules of subjectively perceived, �right and wrong�.

Incorrect and erroneous, �rights� and, �wrongs� are the usual justifications - the rationale - which most men unfortunately proceed to use as, both, social and personal justification for their innermost unnatural desires and passionate lusts - Perverse desires which always reveal themselves by taking straightforward (and often unfair) advantage of others. (Psalms 36:1-2; Luke 16:15; Ephesians 4:17-19) Hence the moral necessity of the, �golden rule�:

�Do unto others as you would have (or desire) others to do unto you.�

Which is, of course, NOT to say that you should, �take a moral step down� and, �Do unto others as they do unto you.� While God does allow men to defend themselves, He does not allow for a man to avenge himself. Vengeance - in any and all of its forms - is something that God strictly reserves to Himself. He has done this with the highest form of most certain promise in the universe: By His own personal oath! (Deuteronomy 32:35; I Samuel 26:10; Romans 12:17, & Hebrews 10:30)

A man can lie to others; he can lie to himself; but he cannot lie to God. This generation is the most perverse and badly confused of all! Compulsory public education, and various: video, audio, and print media are forcing men all over the entire earth to consider the numerous intellectual depravities of, �What� so-called, �educated� men think.

These so called, �highly educated� men are presently showing old levels of human depravity at entirely new and even lower intellectual depths than ever before, AND on a much broader scale, too. As a reward for their: �lack of heart�, moral apostasy, and cynical intellectual obtusion, God has cursed - and continues to curse - ALL of natural mankind�s educational efforts! God�s living curse, also, frequently evidences itself in the conflict and chaos of current, modern day (political) thinking. (I Corinthians 1:19-20; 3:19-20; & I Timothy 6:20)

Look what�s happened! The former societal role model: An exemplary, home-educated, agrarian farmer - Who knew God from his Bible, and worked with the natural creation each day - has been exchanged in the popular mind in favor of a modern day, pseudointellectual, �yuppie�. �What� is a yuppie? A presumptuous intellectual fairy, educated by: God-hating, evolutionary, socialistic teachers who, themselves, prefer to be entertained by whoremongering, anarchic buffoons. (�I�ll be back!� �Do ya feel lucky, punk?� �Go ahead. Make my day!� �That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me!� �I could have killed �em all. I could �a killed you!� �In town you�re the law; but out here it�s me!� etc., etc., etc. I won�t, even, go into the decadent popular song lyrics!) :freak:

We�re finally there, people! America is reaching the tail end (literally) of a social experiment in brazen hedonistic self-government that has, now, brought total moral confusion and depravity TO ALL MANKIND. Adultery is euphemistically referred to as, �an affair�. Despicable homosexual sodomies are called, �gay�. Fornication is referred to as, �partying� (or, �getting down�); and rebellious and disobedient, bratty children suffer from something called, �attention deficit disorder' or, �ADD�.

'ADD' is a presumed physiological ailment that modern social scientists insist requires the subjective applied use of psychotropic drugs and preferential classroom treatments. However, the consequential result of the chemically altered, preferential treatments these obstreperous young school children get is that - in direct consequence - the social and learning development of the entire rest of the group becomes almost equally retarded! The social, academic, scientific, pharmacological, and the moral situation throughout the world, today, is now INSANE!

Talk about, �dumbing down� America! :wow: (It�s NOT accidental, people; it�s deliberate!)

ALL of mankind is more confused, today, than ever before. Both morally and intellectually speaking, modern men have - ever so subtly - reverted back to the personal behaviors and baseline moral comprehensions of their presumed caveman ancestors.

Men, now, think that they came from monkeys, and feel free to copulate with women as if they were, �hot apes� in the jungle. Worse, as if behaving like swine in a sty isn�t already bad enough, more and more men are presently becoming gluttons and eating like pigs! (�That steak is gimongous!� �Sure, I can eat it in less than 20 minutes!� �Adam!� �Adam!� �Adam! � �Get down with the flavors! �There�s a lot going on in that bowl!� �Well, originally, I was thinking about wearing the sunglasses on my butt, then ......!�) :supergrin:

The children of parents who once knew better presently: Fornicate like animals, eat like pigs, laugh at idiotic entertainment like hyenas, strut to degenerate popular music like chickens, and dance with each other as if they were horny baboons!

Today, people thoughtlessly repeat whatever the public education system teaches them as if they were parrots, and think little of abandoning their young - or worse - slaughtering their unborn children! Such, �right-to-choose� mothers (Whatever, the Hell, that means?) are no different than the most base of feral rodents! Only the most savage of moral degenerates destroys its own young.

PAY ATTENTION: GOD IS NOT BLIND!

At the same time as western civilization rejects, both, corporal and capital punishments, it�s either overtly or tacitly correct for pregnant women to selfishly abort their living babies while the studly sires who impregnated them sit around watching popular movies like, �The Texas Chainsaw Massacre�.

THESE are the very same men who ridicule fundamentalist Bible Preachers, while daring to castigate anyone who, so much as attempts, to question modern, largely unproven theories of evolution. :freak:

(Continued!)

PART TWO: What, If Any, �Debt� Do You Owe To Others?

Arc Angel — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:25:56 GMT

NEVERTHELESS, there IS Absolute Truth in the universe! However, the badly confused animals who have just been described are NEVER going to find any of it. Their principal strong obsession - their perverse intellectual illusion - is to quite simply and straightforwardly,

DRAG EVERYONE ELSE DOWN TO THEIR OWN OBSCENE LEVELS OF MORAL AND INTELLECTUAL OBTUSION.

Ancient Israel�s wisest of Kings, Solomon, was gifted by God with True Wisdom! Solomon had it; and he shared God�s gift of wisdom with all others. (Because one of the, �gifts of wisdom� is charitable GENEROSITY.) The Holy Bible is Truth; and anyone who is, �willing to tremble� before Truth (AND The Author of that Truth) is going to expose himself to the ultimate acquisition of what is actually, �divine understanding�.

An accurate knowledge of God is NOT something that natural man is automatically born with - OK! Absolute, immutable, and unequivocal Truth DOES exist; but, in mankind�s most natural state of restricted mental (and emotional) comprehension, it MUST be learned!

�Show me Thy ways, O� Lord; teach me Thy paths; lead me in Thy Truth, and teach me; for Thou art The God of my salvation! On Thee do I wait all the day.� (Psalm 25)

The Lord Jesus Christ said, �Thy Word is Truth.� (John 17:17) The Apostle Peter wrote that Sacred Scripture is, and always has been, of certain validity. (The same validity as God) (II Peter 1:16-21). The Prophet Isaiah wrote that any idea contrary to Scripture leads only to total (intellectual) darkness. (Isaiah 8:19-22) King David exalted God�s Word on all subjects; and David hated any difference of opinion. (Psalms 119:128) The Apostle Paul firmly stated that the world�s so-called, �science� is NOT true science; and all things could, and should, be proven as being either, �good� or, �bad�. (I Timothy 6:20; & I Thessalonians 5:21)

Because natural men are enslaved by the devil - Who is a liar and the father of lies! - they have no interest in learning The Truth. (John 8:44-45) Jesus knew He could have gathered larger crowds with lies; but, Jesus is The Truth; so He presented The Truth with such authority and clarity that the people were astonished at His remarkable superiority to their usual: ignorant, pandering and effeminate, falsely eulogizing teachers. (Matthew 7:28-29)

:upeyes: (Does the above comment remind you of anyone you�ve seen on television, lately?)

The Apostles did not preach fables. They dealt in Absolute Truth! This Truth is known as, �the faith of God�s elect�. (Luke 1:1-4; & Titus 1:1) They rejected verbose eloquence and emotional pandering (�rushes�) as valid intellectual appeals to the religious inclinations of their fellowman.

If worldlings were to believe and follow their example, then, the Apostles wanted such inquiring men to proceed on the intellectual basis of accurate and true knowledge - NOT politically correct rationale, or emotional, �rushes� of the moment. (I Corinthians 2:1-5) They were eyewitnesses of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who proved His resurrection with many infallible proofs. They taught these facts, and the Holy Bible as being absolutely true. (Acts 1:3,22; & I Corinthians 15:3-8)

Make no mistake! Adultery is a spiritual offence that is worthy of death, and so is sodomy; but sodomy (homosexuality and other bizarre sexual perversions) is, also, a spiritually abominable and disgusting unnatural perversion. If you think otherwise, then, in the Eyes of all Heaven, you are already dead and going straight to Hell.

Abortion is child murder, and ADD (attention deficit disorder) can be easily solved by the restoration of public flogging. Biblical, or otherwise, ONE man and ONE woman in marriage is the fundamental social unit of an orderly society, as well as the ultimate basis for sexual union between two intertwined mortal souls.

Sacred Scripture (The ultimate authority!) repeatedly states that women are to obey and reverence their husbands. Because, in a high spiritual sense, (HERE is the hidden lesson! ;) ) man is both the spiritual AND intellectual �head� of woman. If you think otherwise, then, you are in danger of perishing in The Judgment. These facts and thousands more like them are ALL parts of God�s Absolute Spiritual Truth. These dictums are vital declarations and sovereign commands of The Creator, The Most High God.

�Every Word of God is pure.�. (Proverbs 30:5) The only wholesome words in the world are those of the Lord Jesus Christ. (I Timothy 6:3) Every reader should know how to give truthful answers to those who might ask; (I Peter 3:15) and it is the duty of every true Christian to earnestly contend for The One True Faith � The Absolute Truth delivered to this Earth by all of God�s Prophets and Saints of old.

The arrogant, loud, opinionated, and salacious reasonings of world-wise men are all worthless and, ultimately, will only lead to the death of your body AND soul. If you�re willing to accept responsibility for yourself and for your own salvation, (Perhaps, even, for the salvation of others) then you MUST accept that: The One True Creator God exists, and that His Word is absolutely true. The canonized Holy Bible contains the answers all men, sooner or later, MUST discover in order to save themselves from the ongoing confusion and tumult of an otherwise genuinely hellish mortal existence.

God seeks true worshippers, men who will worship Him in, BOTH, Spirit and in Truth. (John 4:23-24) There is nothing left to debate, to discuss, to invent, or to modify. God, Himself, has revealed His Perfect Will for man to know and follow. It is the personal acquisition of this intellectual revelation that you MUST seek with all your heart. (Deuteronomy 4:5-10; 6:24-25; 29:29; & 32:46-47)

For ANY PURPOSE other than a witness, a true believer should reject and avoid the company of, or companionship with, worldly men. (Proverbs 9:6; 14:7; Deuteronomy 13:6-18; Psalms 101:3; Romans 16:17-18; Ephesians 5:11; II Thessalonians 2:15; 3:6, 14; I Timothy 6:3-5; II Timothy 3:1-5; & Titus 3:10-11).

Go ahead! Seek out and question the Holy Bible for the right answers to all of your questions; and settle for nothing less! Exalt God�s revealed precepts, and hate every false way. (Psalms 119:128) The opinions of any worldly man, or all worldly men, amount to the same thing � Turmoil and certain confusion! Give correct biblical answers to any questions you might receive from others. Let your words be the certain Words of Truth. Do NOT be afraid; and, earnestly defend The Absolute Truth of God against attack at all times.

Because there can be no such thing as being, �smarter than God�, conversely there is, also, no such thing as being, �smart as the devil�. Do not fear evil. Overcome evil through the power of prayer along with that inquiring mind and intelligence which God has given you. You should, also, be aware that,

NO MAN SAVES HIMSELF.

It is God The Father, Himself, who creates what becomes a saving mutual attraction! :thumbsup: (John 6:44, & 14:6) (John 6:44, & 14:6)

Extrapolated from, �The Proverb For The Day�, of February 22nd, 2013. www.LetGodBeTrue.com | 212 Standing Springs Road | Simpsonville | SC | 29680

New G30 Gen4 yesterday

Soldiernurse — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:28:33 GMT

Quote:

Originally Posted by silversport

Soldiernurse...they should be the same size but I feel (as do others) that the newer grip pattern makes the grip feel a bit smaller...I would agree that is so between the G21SF and the G21 Gen4...I don't have both of the G30s (G30SF and G30 Gen4) to compare them in person but did have a G21SF and now own the G21 Gen4...

Bill

Info appreciated!

How To Fit A Hogue Handall On A Compact Frame Glock

Arc Angel — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:33:12 GMT

The #17000 Hogue Handall IS TOO LARGE for a Glock�s compact frame. You need to cut it to fit. If your Handall, also, presses up against the bottom of the magazine release when you�re done fitting it, and makes it harder to operate - GOOD! This, alone, makes it worth the cost and effort to install a Hogue Handall. (I�m about to tell you, �Why� too!)

Know what? It takes more time to explain, �How� to do this than it does to actually get the job done! It�s not hard at all. Does someone in your family own a 1500 watt, or better, hairdryer? Are you able to go to Wal-Mart and purchase a $2.00 bottle of pharmacy mineral oil? Do you own a pair of sharp scissors, or an X-Acto Knife, and a (12�) wooden ruler? These are the items that make installing a Hogue, #17000 Handall onto any compact frame Glock ridiculously easy. First:

DROP THE MAGAZINE; THEN, REMOVE IT AND ALL LIVE AMMUNITION FROM THE WORK AREA. MAKE SURE THE WEAPON IS CLEAR!

Ideally you should remove the slide from the frame, and work only on the frame, alone - OK. To begin, be aware that there is actually a correct top, and bottom direction to a Handall. If you look at one side of a Handall you will see the word, �Hogue� in one corner. THIS is the left side of the grip; and the word, �Hogue� should be on the bottom - not the top.

Now, lay the Handall up against the side of your frame. Line it up IMMEDIATELY UNDERNEATH the magazine release. (It should butt, right up tight, against the bottom of the mag release.) Do you see any excess polymer hanging over the rear of your Glock�s frame? If you do, this is the part - and the correct amount - that needs to be removed.

I use a felt-tipped pen to mark the spot on the lower edge of the Handall where this edge is fully above the bottom of the Glock�s frame, and not protruding over it. Then I put a little, �hash mark� onto the Handall right at this spot.

Next, I make note of the angle I need to cut at in order to keep the lower back edge of the Handall fully on the frame�s backstrap. I put another little hash mark here, too; and, then, I draw a line between the two hash marks, and use a pair of very sharp scissors to cut off the excess polymer along this line.

If you use an X-Acto knife you will need to compress the Handall underneath a heavy wooden ruler (or some such wooden straightedge). The final step is to use pharmacy mineral oil to liberally swab, both, the frame as well as the inside of the Hogue Handall.

DO NOT USE ANY OTHER TYPE OF OIL BECAUSE OTHER OILS ARE TOO LUBRICIOUS, AND WILL HOLD THEIR LUBRICITY. YOU DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE, IF IT DOES, YOUR HANDALL WILL CONTINUE TO SLIDE AROUND ON THE FRAME FOR MONTHS ON END.

Now plug in that hot air dryer and warm the Handall for between 20 and 30 seconds. When the polymer is warm to the touch it�s ready-to-go. Don�t overheat it; AND, you only need to warm the polymer no more than twice: Once before starting it on the frame, and again after it�s half way installed. Warm the polymer too much and you�ll cause the Handall to irreversibly stretch - OK!

Push the Handall onto the frame until it just touches the bottom of the magazine release. YOU WANT IT TO TOUCH THE BOTTOM OF THE MAGAZINE RELEASE! �Why�? Because of the little known fact that Glock magazine releases - across the entire product line - are all too weak, and prone to accidentally drop the magazine. (This has inadvertently happened to me, at least, 4 times in the past 10 years!) Now, line up the seams, even up the points on the finger grooves; and, voil�, you�re done!

Quite frankly, I believe that every polymer frame pistol should come with a Handall. Even if my own hands were in perfect physical condition, and not slightly arthritic, I would still use a Handall. :thumbsup:

Gen4 Glock owners- if you own one please respond

throb — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:14:29 GMT

:wavey:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssevern

Hello,

I've seen many, many threads here saying the Gen 4 G19's have ejection problems, and many people saying they work great. My dealer says they work great, and that the issue is history. I tend to think the issue is not as bad as it seems here on Glock Talk, simply because I suspect people are more likely to post regarding a problem gun. Before I purchase my next G19 and /or G26, I'd like to know how widespread the "problem" really is.

Let's do a quick survey. Gen4 Glock owners only please:

1. Which model(s) do you own?

2. Which fits your situation:

A. I have no problem with this handgun
B. I have ejection problems with this handgun
C. I had ejection problems, Glock (or armorer) fixed it, and it now rocks.
D. I had ejection problems, Glock (or armorer) fixed them, but it still isn't right.
3. Notes/comments regarding your situation and your thoughts on this issue.

Selfishly, I know your responses will be useful to me. I hope they will be useful to others also.

Update: Wow. Lots of great responses. Thank you all for responding, especially regarding an issue which has been beaten to death. It's good to see all of these opinions together in one thread.

Overwhelmingly Gen 4 is either not a problem at all... or for those with early Gen 4 purchases, updated parts have resolved the problem. I'm now TOTALLY confident in the purchase and am off to the dealer with GSSF coupon in hand.

G36, help me date it.

batto1999 — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:49:03 GMT

NO, I don't have spent shell casings, and I bought the gun very lightly used. The number is RUN 531, can anyone help me date this? I checked the numbers list and apparently it doesn't go this new.

Thanks

Bill in Neb. could let bikes go on red

emmascott — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:19:26 GMT

A new suggested law in the state of Nebraska would, under some conditions, let motorcycle riders run red lights. The bill is meeting opposition for safety concerns. You can go to buy here, pay here, car lots for your situation.

Getting a red that never turns

The bill, LB 85, was suggested by Nebraska state Senator Paul Schumacher. If passed, it will permit riders of two-wheelers to cross an intersection on a red light if they have waited at least two minutes and there is no other traffic around.

The cause of the bill is that some in-pavement sensors that signal traffic lights to change may not be activated by a vehicle that weighs less than 1,000 pounds.

KHAS Television spoke with engineer David Wacker about the situation.

"When metal such as a vehicle bus or car would pass over them they interrupt a magnetic field that then sends a signal to the controller," he said. "We've had some problems in Hastings with that. We have been able to adjust some of the magnetometers that are in place to help out on that, but ... if a motorcycle isn't positioned correctly this does occur."

Attempting to enforce it

Opponents of the bill consist of city of Lincoln and the Nebraska Sheriffs' Association. The NSA states the law would be almost impossible to enforce, with nobody there to be sure the cyclist waited a full two minutes.

Likely, it would also embolden many bike riders to regularly run lights whenever there is no traffic around. That could conceivably increase the number of motorcycle accidents in the state and play havoc with two wheeler insurance rates.

Many people just think it is idiotic to create a whole law allowing some people to break the law to battle a small issue that many people never deal with. An educational program on teaching motorcycle drivers how to trigger the lights is most likely a much better use of cash than making it legal to run red lights.

The sensors can effortlessly get adjusted to sense motorcycles, according to Lincoln professional Randy Hoskins.

For The Ultimate Sale On A Used Car, Van, Truck or SUV Please Visit Bellevue Car Dealers Here

Not the very first such measure

A couple of years ago, an Illinois city considered a comparable law. It never went through.

Sources

Autoblog

KHAS TV

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Proper Removal And Insertion Of Glock Frame Pins

Arc Angel — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:59:54 GMT

:) Proper frame pin removal and insertion is, 'Basic Glocking 101'.

REMOVAL: Working from the LEFT SIDE of the frame, begin by using either an Armorer's Tool or a 3/32" Machinist's Drift Punch to push out the topmost, #1, 'lock block pin' first.

Next, while continuing to work from the left side of the frame remove the middle, #2, 'trigger pin'. (You might have to wiggle the slide stop around in order to loosen this pin.)

Finally, still working from the left side of the frame remove the lower, #3, 'trigger housing unit pin' from the back of the pistol's grip.

INSERTION: Now, working from the opposite RIGHT SIDE of the frame insert the #1, 'lock block' pin back into the pistol BEFORE you attempt to install any of the other pins.

Depending upon whether you believe the Armorer's Manual, or not, either Pin #2 goes in next, or (for some goofy reason) Pin #3 is presently recommended to go in before Pin #2. (Like a Glock's cheap plastic frame is a precision rifle stock!) :freak:

Personally, I started out 10 years ago using the previously recommended order of: '1, 2, 3' for both removal and insertion; and, at the present time, I have absolutely no good reason to change. On my Glock pistols the #2, 'trigger pin' goes back in second.

If you have trouble getting the #2, 'trigger pin' reinstalled into its frame hole, simply giggle the slide stop up and down, or backwards and forwards until it slips in.

Do NOT push too hard on any of the pins, or do something 'YouTube stupid' like banging, or even tapping, on a pin with a hammer. (A hammer or a knife NEVER needs to be used on Glock pins.)

NOTE #1: IT, ALSO, HELPS TO USE THE SHAFT OF YOUR ARMORER'S TOOL IN ORDER TO ALIGN THE PARTS BEFORE YOU BEGIN RUNNING EACH PIN INTO ITS RESPECTIVE HOLE.

SIMPLY SLIP THE TOOL'S SHAFT INTO THE PROPER FRAME HOLE, AND TWIRL IT AROUND UNTIL THE RESPECTIVE PARTS ALL LINE UP. (YOU WON'T SEE ANY PROTRUDING EDGES WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE HOLE.)

NOTE #2: WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO THE FRAME, PLACE THE TIPS OF YOUR FINGERS ON THE TIP OF THE ARMORER'S TOOL AND FINISH PUSHING THE PIN INTO THE HOLE IN THIS WAY. (YOU'LL BE LESS LIKELY TO SCRATCH THE FRAME IF YOU DO IT LIKE THIS.) :thumbsup:

NOTE #3: 'RIGHT' AND, 'LEFT' ARE DETERMINED BY WHAT WE USED TO CALL, 'MACHINIST'S CABINET VIEW'.

HOLD THE GLOCK AS YOU NORMALLY WOULD IF YOU WERE POINTING THE MUZZLE AT A TARGET. NOW, LOOK DOWN ON THE TOP OF THE PISTOL. THIS VIEWPOINT CORRECTLY SHOWS THE PROPER RIGHT AND LEFT SIDES OF THE FRAME.

ADVISORY: I am NOT a Certified Glock Armorer! (I'm only that armorer which Gaston Glock has forced me to become.) ;)

C-1, Chambered Versus C-3, Non-Chambered Carry

Arc Angel — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:40:03 GMT

:) I am well-known on this board to be against most, but not all, civilian C-1 carry. My objection is to, �HOW� a majority of relatively unskilled, and modestly trained civilians choose to go armed: To wit,

IN THE MOST DANGEROUS PERSONAL MANNER POSSIBLE!

It is my considered opinion that far too many civilians are walking around all day long in C-1 when,

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NECESSITY WITHIN THEIR DAILY ROUTINES FOR THEM TO DO SO.

Are these people, �being cool�? Well, ...... I�ve never seen a flagrant open carrier who wasn�t trying his very best to be as, �cool� as he is moronic; and my thinking is no different about civilians who insist upon routine C-1 semi-auto carry. I spend a lot of time on public firing lines; and too much of what I've seen has, probably, helped to turn my hair white! Made me duck, or dive for the ground a few times, too!

The social guideline I apply to the C-1/C-3 carry decision is a simple one:

�DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU.�

Whether it�s open carry, or chambered carry my thoughts are the same: If a legal gun owner wants to advertise his Second Amendment Rights then, rather than flagrantly sporting a highly dangerous and deadly weapon on his hip,

WEAR A T-SHIRT, CARRY A PLACARD, OR HAND OUT COPIES OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, AND THE BILL-OF-RIGHTS.

Don�t run around the local shopping mall scaring, �the bejesus� out of everybody else�s: moms, dads, children, and the elderly - That�s neither socially polite, nor intellectually indicative of the best Judeo-Christian ethics have to offer.

Let me try to put things into a more pertinent perspective: I�m an individual who has carried at least one pistol, everywhere I go, 24 hours a day, and for the better part of two decades now. �Why�? Simple! I�ve previously been attacked; and, as another member of this board once (rather cleverly) pointed out: �The devil sends more trouble some people�s way than others.� Apparently, and for whatever reasons, I appear to be one of those people. :dunno:

I�m neither a neophyte, nor na�ve about any of this. As much as I like other people, (and I do like other people, often too well for my own good) I�m also of the opinion that far too many of my fellow human beings are thoroughly (perhaps irreversibly) possessed of obtuse hearts and, �dark souls�.

Once I was attacked by a large, filthy dirty, street vagrant who entered, uninvited, into our home; and, twice in the past 15 years, I�ve been attacked by armed young men while I was within 65 yards of the house! In the in-home incident I was unarmed; and our Pit Bulldogs came to my rescue. In the other two incidents I was heavily armed; and, both times, I had to draw a pistol in order to defend myself from impending serious harm.

This should tell you that I, personally, would be among the very last of people to ever proscribe any honest, law abiding individual from going armed. What I question is THE MANNER in which armed semiautomatic carry is customarily (and habitually) done by the general public-at-large. (N-1)

The question is complex, multifaceted, and becomes: 'Is it possible to: (1) Be safe, (2) competent, (3) effective, and (4) genuinely fast with a pistol IF you are not carrying in C-1?' From within my own 60 + years of gun usage and handling experience, the considered - the PRAGMATIC - correct answer is, �Yes!� �It is certainly possible to be (1) safe, (2) competent, (3) effective, and (4) genuinely fast with a semiautomatic pistol that is normally carried in a non-chambered (C-3) condition.�

You watch police dash cam videos on television; right! When was the last time you saw a professionally trained police officer hesitate to draw his service pistol

THE MOMENT HE REALIZED THAT HE MIGHT BE IN GENUINE TROUBLE?

In hundreds, if not thousands, of televised, real world, police programs I�ve never seen any such lapse in any police officer's personal security occur. (Just the opposite, actually!) ;)

If you want to stay alive, you do NOT wait for an actor to get within arm�s reach of you. You carefully watch his hands; and, ideally, you make yourself ready-to-act at between 12 and 15 yards� distance. Don�t be shy about loudly warning off a possible attacker, either! The legal AND social obligation is that you SHOULD!

Modern jurisprudence requires you to loudly warn off anyone who becomes a threat BEFORE you resort to showing, let alone using, a gun. Anyone who waits until a half second�s time becomes critical to his survival has, in my carefully considered opinion,

WAITED TOO LONG!

Your most viable self-defense plan should have been, both, formulated and put into action LONG BEFORE, �arm�s reach and that last critical half second� has arrived.

As the very gun savvy Dave Spaulding has frequently pointed out:

�THE VAST MAJORITY OF ARMED ENCOUNTERS WHICH THE GOOD GUYS LOSE OCCUR AT VERY SHORT DISTANCES.'

I completely agree. I�m also telling you, here, that if you end up grappling for your life inside an instantaneous CQB knife or pistol ambush - Which is THE ONLY truly valid justification for C-1 semiautomatic pistol carry - then, more than likely,

IT�S GOING TO BE YOUR OWN FAULT!

What is more, the usual Internet rational for going around all day long with your semiautomatic combat pistol in C-1, while exposing absolutely everyone - including yourself - to potential harm, is most typically given as:

IN ORDER TO BE SUPREMELY READY FOR JUST SUCH A HIGHLY UNLIKELY AMBUSH ATTEMPT! :freak:

(An ambush attempt, I might add, for which gunfighting statistics support the facts that more than 90% of the, �Glockeroos� out there are, both, highly unlikely to experience even once in a lifetime, AND are also personally ill-prepared to effectively defend themselves against, anyway.) (N-2), (N-3)

NOTES:

(N-1) For the mentally confused or just plain ignorant: A revolver is NOT ever carried in C-1. Only a semiautomatic pistol can be carried that way; and for those who insist there is no difference between carrying a modern revolver with a fully loaded cylinder, and a C-1 Glock, ...... well, these guys have been spending too much time on the Internet.

REVOLVERS DO NOT HAVE 74% + PRETENSIONED TRIGGER MECHANISMS; BUT STRIKER-FIRED: GLOCK, SPRINGFIELD XD, OR SMITH & WESSON SEMI-AUTOS DO!

(N-2) When I say, �ill-prepared� I mean on ALL applicable levels of personal response: Mental, (Which means being able to quickly formulate an effective survival plan.) Emotional, (Which means being able to smoothly transition between individual fight, or flight modes-of-behavior, as well as being instantaneously able to grab control of your own emotions.) and Tactical, (Being able to demonstrate adequate, or better, personal self-defense physical skill sets.)

JUST BECAUSE A CIVILIAN GUNMAN KEEPS HIS SEMI-AUTO PISTOL IN C-1 DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE�S AUTOMATICALLY THE: �BIGGEST, BADDEST, AND MOST DEADLY, �MO-FO� IN THE JUNGLE�. (:shocked: True!)

Don�t tell me about what police officers do, either. Uniformed police officers use, �Level Three� high security holsters - NOT the open-topped, lightly secured holster designs that most of us who go about, �in mufti� all day long prefer to use. An open-topped holster, and a minimally-secured pistol that�s, also, carried in C-1, all, lead up to only one thing:

THEE MOST POTENTIALLY VOLATILE MANNER IN WHICH A CIVILIAN MIGHT HOLSTER AND CARRY A SEMIAUTOMATIC COMBAT PISTOL.

(N-3) I use the term, �combat pistol� because that�s actually what every carry sidearm is; and, one more time, at the very least I think C-3 is how members of the general public should routinely carry their semiautomatic pistols!

So far I've been able to survive, twice now, when I was engaged and carrying in C-3. Perhaps because I was alert. Perhaps because I was well-prepared across ALL levels of personal response; and perhaps, again, because I, also, believe that neither of these events were amenable to my own spiritual, �karma�. ;)

These are the reasons, �Why� I believe street survival under dire circumstances hasn't really been all that hard for me! Other competent and knowing pistoleros, perhaps like me, should be able to do the same thing, too.

Not to be a fatalist; but, I firmly believe that,

�WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME, IT'S YOUR TIME.�

Only the direct intervention of God can alter any such circumstance.* Otherwise, nothing is going to change this most fundamental truism inherent within all material being: 'Karma' doggedly follows and affects ALL men.

Each and every one of us, 'writes' his own life record as he goes; and it is, also, this very same life record for which each and every one of us MUST, sooner or later, be called upon to stand up and answer. :thumbsup:

* REFER: II Kings, Chapter 20

(1) http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...1467186&page=8
(2) http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...467186&page=10
(3) http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...3#post20104493
(4) http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...6#post20109516

A challenge to the missing centrists...

Gunhaver — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:17:39 GMT

[quote=rgregoryb;20012306]just think how many N Koreans could be fed from his stable of girlfriends....even the diseased one[/quote]

Nice. You touch your mother with those fingers?

PART ONE: How To REALLY Clean A Glock Pistol

Arc Angel — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:42:20 GMT

:) I just finished spending a good 2 hours thoroughly cleaning both of my daily carry pistols: Currently a Glock Model 19(RTF2), and a Beretta Model 3032, �Alley Cat�. (My slides are each locked open, right now, so that the Sentry Solutions, �Smooth-Kote� bore treatment can spend the rest of the day drying into a nice hard coating.) I don�t use Hoppe�s #9 anymore. I, and especially my wife, hate that ammonia stench; and, worse, the ammonia Hoppe�s #9 contains is known to have an adverse effect on Glock�s nickel-plated parts. (I recently gave a full quart bottle of Hoppe's #9 away.)

I think it safe to say - very safe to say! - that I always have the cleanest guns and bores on the line, everywhere I shoot. Awhile ago, one of our local, �commando-types� heard me brag about this, walked up to me, and held out his hand for my pistol. (At the time a scrupulously clean G-21.) I smiled, lifted it out of the holster, dropped the magazine, pulled the slide back, looked at the chamber, and pointed the muzzle downrange. Then I pulled the trigger, double-racked the slide, and locked it open before finally handing the pistol to him.

(Because he and I, both, know that I carry in C-3, I didn�t really have to go through the entire clearing process as scrupulously as I did; but, because gun safety is gun safety, I paid him the added courtesy of fastidiously clearing the weapon right in front of him - Which is ALWAYS the right thing to do, anyway.) :thumbsup:

After handing him my G-21 I knew I was in for it! Out comes his pocket light; and he starts looking down the barrel and spinning the pistol round and round as he squinted and stared. After about half a minute (The correct amount of time to carefully examine a bore for cleanliness.) he handed my pistol back to me with the begrudging comment, �Very nice!� Because he knows that I shoot a lot I took this as an especial compliment to my gun cleaning skills. (If he�d been really smart he�d have used a sheet of Kleenex around the mag well and breech face, too - but, hey!) :supergrin:

Here�s a few things you can do to make cleaning any pistol barrel as easy as it�s ever going to be.

(1) Stop screwing around with ammonia-based cleaners like Hoppe�s #9 on your Glock, and begin using odorless, NICKEL-SAFE, gun cleaning products like: Ballistol (Which Glock polymer frames absolutely love!), Break-Free �CLP�, Flitz Metal Polish, or some such non-ammonia bore cleaner in order to clean your pistols. (There are a lot of other really excellent gun cleaning products out there!)

Contrary to what some internet, �gun experts� think, Flitz Metal Polish will IN NO WAY harm your pistol�s bore or, at least, not within the next 20 or 30 years of regular use. I�ve got pistol barrels around here that have been in frequent use for more than 10 years and have had 1,000�s of plated and lead bullets through them. The bores? To the naked eye they still look new; and accuracy remains excellent - Better, in fact, than me! :supergrin:

(2) Do NOT use jag or slotted tips on any centerfire pistol barrel. Use only quality (cotton) patches, and be sure to wrap them tightly around your brush head, too. Nylon brush heads, like the one that comes with every new Glock, are OK to use; but, for a really dirty bore, nothing works better than a Hoppe�s phosphor-bronze brush head. As for Hoppe�s, �Tynex�? I like Tynex brushes much better than ordinary nylon.

(3) Before I start, �serious cleaning� I�ll swab out the bore and, then, wipe off the entire exterior of the pistol with a cheap and gentle solution of pharmacy mineral oil and isopropyl alcohol that I mix up for my own use at a ratio of 2 to 14: Two ounces of 70% isopropyl alcohol to 14 ounces of mineral oil. (In my experience Glock polymer frames LOVE this mixture; and, you�d be surprised just how much really expensive Ballistol this practice ends up saving me throughout the year! My best guess? Almost two pints, and a good $25.00!)

(4) I always use a brush head and mineral oil patch to make a few initial, �wet passes� BEFORE I start any serious cleaning. (This clears the, �heavy crud� out of the bore prior to scrubbing.) On a really dirty barrel I�ll do the initial cleaning with a phosphor-bronze brush; otherwise, I�ll use either a Tynex or nylon brush - They�re fine for most bore cleaning chores.

Once I�m able to accurately assimilate the length of the required brush stroke into my arm�s reflex pattern, I put away the mineral oil, take out the serious cleaning chemicals, and begin to scrub really fast! While cleaning I apply extra pressure to the brush at the: north, east, south, and west points on the barrel�s interior wall. Often while doing this, I�ll also slowly index the entire barrel through the four cardinal points, as well.

(5) The first serious cleaning patches are coated with some sort of bore cleaner. Generally, and if I want to start cleaning immediately, I use Flitz metal polishing paste. If time isn�t important I�ll use a liquid bore cleaner like Ballistol or Break-Free; and, then, allow the barrel to sit, usually overnight, before I start any serious cleaning. While cleaning I alternate between wet and dry patches; and I keep this up until the dry patches begin to come out either only slightly gray, or - if I�m on a real cleaning, �kick� - a clean bright white. THAT is a frigg �in clean barrel!

(CONTINUED IN PART TWO)

PART TWO: How To REALLY Clean A Glock Pistol

Arc Angel — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:03:20 GMT

(6) FAIR WARNING! Unless the gun is in frequent (daily) use, one cleaning is NEVER enough. Wait a day, or two, and go back and clean that bore again with something like: Break-Free, �CLP�, Weapon Shield, or even Ballistol. (This is necessary because barrel steel continues to leech combustion gas and powder residue for several days after a gun has been fired.)

The important thing to remember is that in order to get your bore really clean while using one of these non-ammonia based liquid cleaning solutions, it is necessary to allow the bore to wet-soak in this type of solution for a good 6 - 8 hours BEFORE you start cleaning. However, with a paste bore cleaner like Flitz Metal Polish no waiting is necessary. (Just a lot of, �all the way through and all the way back� scrubbing with the patches wrapped around your brush head.)

(7) THE CORRECT END OF THE BARREL FROM WHICH TO CLEAN ANY GUN BORE IS, ALWAYS, FROM THE CHAMBER END. THEN, PULL BACK AGAIN ON THE ROD AND PULL THE BRUSH HEAD THROUGH THE BARREL IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. ONLY CLEAN FROM THE MUZZLE END OF THE BARREL IF THE DESIGN OF THE GUN DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY OTHER CHOICE.

(When I'm forced to clean a bore from the muzzle end, as I do on a Garand, I use the tips of my support-hand fingers as a rod guide until after the brush head has been inserted all the way into the barrel. Then proceed ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BARREL, AND ALL THE WAY BACK. Never, �short stroke� or change the direction of your brush stroke in mid-barrel; for whatever it�s worth: I consider cleaning cords to be no better than, �field expedients�. Neither do I believe that any of these recently arrived cleaning cords are ever going to replace the high functionality - and speed - of a good, stiff, metal, cleaning rod.)

(8) In order to, both, protect my regularly used bores AND to ease bore cleanup I, also, use Sentry Solutions, �Smooth-Kote� bore treatment. (For long term storage I use Sentry�s, �Tuf-Glide�.) NOTHING ever sticks to a, �Smooth-Kote� treated metal surface; bullet velocity seems to pickup; and, I swear, the bullets seem to hit a little bit harder, as well. An added bonus is that barrel cleanup is extra quick and easy.

If you treat your barrels with ANY molybdenum disulfide mixture, then make sure to clean them well within several days after using them; and, in the meantime, keep any treated and recently used barrel as dry as possible until you have a chance to clean it - OK.

I guess I should add the well-known Internet remark that molybdenum disulfide causes barrel rust isn�t (universally) true. Some MD solutions do; and others don�t. Sentry Solutions, �Smooth-Kote� solution is, �passivated�. If you thoroughly clean out your barrel with something like isopropyl alcohol after using the gun and, then, reapply fresh, �Smooth-Kote� I very much doubt that you�ll ever experience any sort of rust problem at all.

According to a material fact sheet provided by Sentry Solution's Mark Mrozek; 'Smooth-Kote' won�t become hygroscopic below 600 degrees Fahrenheit; so, for prolonged periods of time and until you actually fire the gun, you should be fine. I always have been! I�ve got gun barrels around here that have been coated and stored in, �Smooth-Kote� for more than 5 or 6 years; and whenever I clean one out it looks brand new. (These guns are, also, stored inside a temperature and humidity controlled gun safe.)

(9) If you use Flitz Metal Polish it should not be necessary to use an ancillary product like, �J-B Bore Cleaning Compound� inside your barrel. If, however, you clean your bores, most of the time, with liquid cleaners then a once or twice a year cleaning with, �J-B� will remove the really hard metal deposits you might have been missing. (Experience and a trained eye will tell you!)

This is, �How� I clean and preserve my Glock pistol bores. The system works; and has worked well for many years, now. :thumbsup:

PART THREE: How To REALLY Clean A Glock Pistol

Arc Angel — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:59:36 GMT

NOTES AND ADDENDUM:

(N-1) I follow the practice of cleaning out a well used (and coated) barrel within a day or two after firing it. Then I reapply the Smooth-Kote. I do this just in case the heat of firing and friction might cause the molybdenum disulfide to become hygroscopic.

This is a precaution on my part. During the past five years absolutely nothing detrimental has ever happened; and only benefits have occurred from my use of, �Smooth-Kote�.

(N-2) I clean out the slide internals at intervals between 1,200 and 1,500 fired rounds. Q-Tips work fine. If the cotton head is too large simply pull off some of the cotton.

(N-3) Contrary to what is always said on-line, and often repeated about Glock striker (FP) channels: The channel does NOT need to be, 'bone dry'. (I don't care what the Owner's Manual says; nor do I care what is presently being taught in the Armorer's Course. There's often goofy advice in both!)

THERE ARE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT A GLOCK'S STRIKER (FP) CHANNEL SHOULD NEVER BE. ONE IS DIRTY; AND THE OTHER IS WET - WET!

(N-4) Do you see that little hole in the bottom of the slide, on the right side and just behind the breech face? That's a, 'weep hole'; it's there for a reason, and is proof-positive that it's impossible to keep a Glock's striker channel, 'bone dry'. No matter what some of the Glock Talk, �experts� say, excess: oil, liquefied bullet lube, and brass flakes are able to be sucked in through the breech face striker (FP) hole EVERY TIME your Glock is fired!

(N-5) Whenever possible ALWAYS scrub out a gun's bore by inserting the cleaning rod FROM THE CHAMBER END, RATHER THAN FROM THE MUZZLE END of the barrel. Remember not to, 'short stroke' or switch the rod's direction of travel in mid-stroke, too.

ADDENDUM: (Brake And Carburetor Cleaners)

ALL of the so-called, 'Powder Blast' products appear to be nothing more than one variation or another of non-chlorinated brake cleaner. (All brake and carburetor cleaners are commercially-used, cleaning solvents which can, and will, expose users and their families to potentially carcinogenic chemicals like: Acetone, Toluene, and Methanol, etc. My advice? Because nobody really needs to use any solvent like this in order to clean a firearm - DON�T!)

IT IS NEITHER HEALTHY FOR YOU, NOR GOOD FOR YOUR GLOCK�S POLYMER FRAME TO USE EITHER BRAKE OR CARBURETOR CLEANER WHILE CLEANING A GUN, AND ESPECIALLY NOT FOR CLEANING ANY FIREARM WITH ANY SORT OF PLASTIC IN EITHER ITS PHYSICAL COMPOSITION, OR EXTERIOR FINISH.

Even though Ballistol is NOT a good long term firearm preservative, I think it safe to assume that a large part of Ballistol�s sales success is due to the high degree of relative chemical safety regular use of this product entails for BOTH guns, and gun owners. Anytime I have a gun that I regularly use - or don�t intend to store for more than 4 months - I�ll do most of the cleaning and lubrication with either Ballistol, or a homemade mixture of pharmacy-grade mineral oil and 70% isopropyl alcohol (14 oz/2 oz.). �Why�? Because these mixtures are safe-to-use for BOTH me, and the gun!

If you soak the bore for a few hours, beforehand, and scrub with a bronze brush, mineral oil will clean, about, 60 or 70 percent of the crud out of a gun. This is, often, good enough for many heavily used firearms. Either Ballistol or mineral oil, also, does a fantastic job of cleaning and (apparently) rejuvenating polymer, too. The only real drawback I�ve discovered is that both of these solutions take time to work - Often as long as soaking overnight in order to get most of the real crud out!

(You, also, don�t want to over-lube with any mineral oil based, �CLP� - OK. Glock, GmbH�s recommendation to use only 6 to 8 drops of oil is especially wise to follow in very cold weather; but, the rest of the time? Who cares! All of my Glock pistols are - by the usual internet lubrication standards - positively, �dripping�.) :supergrin:

Anytime I want to get a barrel spotlessly clean (If it�s really necessary to get a bore THIS clean every time you clean it?) :dunno: I use either Flitz Metal Polish or Iosso Bore Cleaner paste. (They are chemically identical products!) In my experience NOTHING ever gets left behind inside the bore; AND there is no waiting for the chemicals to be absorbed. Both products begin working immediately.

For long term firearm storage I like the old, pre 2000 AD, Break-Free (That creamy, amber-colored liquid with the PTFE�s in the formula.) If I can�t still get that, (If you look hard enough, some of it IS still around.) then I�ll go with a, �CLP� like Weapon Shield. For all the same reasons that I don�t use carburetor or brake cleaners, the other gun cleaning product I never use is Eezox. (Smells like a, �tart�s handkerchief�, anyway!)

It is, by the way, very difficult to find any LGS that sells all of the products I�ve just recommended. I think it�s going to be necessary to go on the Internet. Finally, I�m going to suggest that you get yourself a good, stiff, Dewey, cleaning rod; one that�s sized to exceed the length of your barrel by, at least, one or two inches. I own plastic-coated Dewey rods; but, Dewey�s plain steel rods have always worked well for me, too. Here�s some web links for you:

Sentry Solutions: http://www.sentrysolutions.com/mm5/m..._Code=FIREARMS

Dewey Rods: http://www.deweyrods.com/

Hoppe's Tynex Brushes: http://www.opticsplanet.com/tynex-brush.html

Iosso Bore Cleaner: http://www.iosso.com/MivaStore/merch...de=GunCleaning

Flitz, 'Bore Cleaner': http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleanin...prod55022.aspx

(Or, you can simply use Flitz, 'Metal Polish' because, chemically, it's the exact same thing in a different package!)

Weapon Shield: http://www.steelshieldtech.com/mainp...on-shield.html

Ballistol: http://ballistol.com

Mineral Oil: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Aaron-Bran...fl-oz/10423864

ADVISORY: I am NOT a Certified Glock Armorer! (I'm only that armorer which Gaston Glock has forced me to become.) ;)

Why gun control always fails..

TheJ — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:16:10 GMT

The natural right to arms is the right of defense and it is a fundamental human right. So using tragedies (like Sandy Hook) to push registration for a basic human right like that of defense would be like requiring registration with the government to be a member of a church after the tragedy of 9-11-01.

I've even heard people call for some to be denied their civil right to defense if they have a family member that is mentally unstable. Denying access to what even the Supreme Court has said is a fundamental right because of who somebody is related to, is obviously unconstitutional. In the case of Newtown killer's mother, we don't even know how she secured the firearms which the killer took but the truth is that killer could have simply held a steak knife or knitting needle to her throat and force her to give him access before he killed her.... we don't know what happen yet but with a little thought you start to see how ridiculous it is trying to prevent this sort of crime with registrations and laws that would deny people human rights based on their relatives.

Magazine limits, gun bans and registration (what expanded backgrounds checks really mean) not only wouldn't stop some murder, they wouldn't stop any murders at all. Because they can't. (They would however negatively effect law abiding citizens ability to defend themselves.) The reasons for this is the same reasons all gun control always fails. It's literally not possible to achieve the stated goals of reducing crime through gun control for very basic reasons. And just looking around at even very recent history we know that registration as never been able to reduce crime. Canada eliminated their long gun registration recently after many years because it was totally ineffective for reducing crime. It did however, lead to confiscations for law abiding citizens, as registration always always does.

Here's some facts to consider:
Hollywood movies and biased news media not withstanding, firearms are only one of an INFINITE number of tools with which criminals may commit murder and/or violent crime. I don't mean that only in the abstract but it is especially so because of the specific dynamic between an attacker/s and defender/s. Because of this specific dynamic (which I'll explain further,in later paragraphs), practically anything can be, has been, will be and is used to murder and often with far greater efficiency than firearms. So even if it were possible to eliminate firearms from the equation all together (of course it is not) it still would have absolutely positively no demonstrable effect on reducing the rate of murder or crime. None. There is however significant evidence actually showing the opposite effect.

Firearms are popular with criminals for various reasons but actually are not the most effective tool for murder. This should be obvious but incase you're not sure, 85% of people shot do not die (95% if you get medical attention immediately). If somebody really wants to murder somebody or a group of somebodies there are many many more effective ways of accomplishing that goal than trying to make small inexact holes in them with firearms.

Firearms as a tool are convenient/portable and allow one to engage at more distance then many other tools. However, this one advantage "convenience" is never high on the priority list of criminals/crazy bad guys because they always have the inherent advantage of getting to pick the time, place and manner with which they will attack. That more than anything is why there are always an infinite number of tools available to an attacker. If one tool doesn't fit their needs they simply change the tool/s or number of tools. Or they change some combination of variables (time, place, manner, etc) to achieve their goal. If they can't get a particular tool legally, they can simply obtain it illegally or change the tool/time/place/manner/etc. This goes for common criminals and serial killers. Specific tools do not actually cause violent crime as there are an infinite number to chose from. The decision to commit murder is never depended on any one tool. This even includes suicide. People make a conscious choice to murder just like they make a conscious choice to commit suicide. These decisions are never based of the availability of one particular tool. Which is why places like Japan (no guns) can have twice the suicide rate of places like the US. Additionally, every study shows mass killers ALWAYS meticulously plan out their crime. Often for many years and will go to unbelievable lengths to achieve their fantasy/goal.

This is evidenced by (among mountains of other things);
The worst foreign terrorist attack and mass killing in US history, no guns were used at all. (9/11)
The worst domestic terrorist attack mass killing in US history, no guns used what so ever. (OK City)
The worst school mass killing in US history no guns were used. (Bathe MI) Even though it happened in a time when not only were there no backgrounds checks for any firearms what so ever but anyone could buy and own fully automatic firearms with no special procedures at all.
Most famous murder trial in US history (OJ Simpson) no gun used. (Although I bet the victims wished they had been armed)
Murder (mass and otherwise) has existed for ions prior to firearms and it exists even where there are no firearms what so ever. (Ask people in prisons how safe they feel)
For the entire history of firearms even with ALL the places in the world that have strict gun control and/or outright bans, gun control measures have never been shown to reduce violent crime/murder.

Conversely, there is practically NO tool that is more effective for defense then a firearm. That is because of the specific benefit offered by firearms (convenience/ability to engage at distance) IS especially critical for a defender. By definition a defender does NOT get to pick the time, place or manner with which they will need to defend themselves. They are always at this inherent disadvantage. So (unlike an attacker/bad guy) the convenience offered by firearms IS paramount to a defender/good guy. It logically follows that restricting access to the best/most convenient tools for defense /firearms (and by extension the convenience of normal-extra capacity magazines) can only possibly have a negative effect on the ability to defend (the good guy). Since again convenience is ONLY paramount to a defender then practically speaking, degrading convenience will NEVER have ANY effect on an attackers ability to attack.

These reasons are why gun control has never been shown to reduce crime anywhere, ever. With the logic and supporting facts, examples and history listed above the reasons should be more than somewhat apparent why, but even if not, then you have to ask yourself shouldn't there be at least a few examples of it's success? And if there is not, given the enormous number of attempts throughout the world and history, isn't the lack of success evidence in itself? In essence this total lack of success actually only supports the other examples, numerous studies, history and core logic of how gun control simply can not possibly achieve its typically stated goals (reducing crime).

If you leave emotion out and logically think through and look at the mountains of empirical data and long world history, it becomes obvious that expanding background checks (in effect registration which we know ALWAYS leads to confiscation) magazine restrictions, gun restrictions and bans, actually all gun control, have absolutely NO effect what so ever on reducing murder (mass or otherwise). It can't. It's simply not possible for gun control measures to have that effect. Regardless of how counterintuitive it may be to those who's perception of reality are shaped by the main stream media and/or entertainment industries. We really don't have to guess as we can just look around and see that. On the other hand we know registration, and further restrictions would severely infringe on a basic human right and have a significant negative impact on the natural right of defense including the ability to resist tyranny.

Wood floors vs dogs

xArcher — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:33:07 GMT

Dog urine will make a mess. Or for that matter, a similar amount of liquid that is not promptly removed.

What I Think Of Today's NRA!

Arc Angel — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:28:10 GMT

:wow: Wow! Human stupidity never ceases to amaze me!

It's difficult to imagine either the scope or extent of moronic social intellect until you actually see it in action. My generation had a lot more savvy. We weren't such, 'internet jerks'; and, (NOT that it ultimately did us much good, but) at least, we had the initial insight and acumen - along with the tenacity - to launch the so-called, 1977, 'NRA Rebellion' in Cincinnati.

Back in the 70's NRA leadership and management sucked, big time; and know what? It still sucks, big time, today. It's only that the extant membership isn't, 'cut from the same cloth', is both morally and socially degraded, and completely fails to grasp how Harlon Carter so very smoothly sold out every single gun owner in America. Nothing's really changed in 2013. If anything the situation has become far worse!

Don't let an old gunman like me, 'rock your boat', though. If you guys want to, 'clutch at straws while drowning' that's your business. Me? I've got little, or no, use for taking either the, 'easy way out', or joining in on and running along with an effete popular illusion.

American gun ownership is well on its way to becoming stone-cold dead; and, the way I see things, the NRA has done an excellent job of misdirecting America's gun owners, pissing tens of millions of contributed dollars away, and fooling the vast majority of America's (remarkably) simple-minded gun owners into believing that they're doing some good.

They're not! :shocked:

By the time you people wake up and realize what's happened to America and its Constitution, it's all going to be over! (What is more, I'll bet that better than 90% of the present American gun owning public won't even know exactly, 'How' or, 'Why' they got screwed out of both their guns AND their Republic!) :freak:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...1#post19970847

hand pinch on 26 grip

Ice shooter — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:31:17 GMT

Anybody had hand pinch were the mag meets the handle.I am waiting for a Glock 19 and or 26. Our local sport shop is getting them both in. I love the size of the 26 but am concerned about the possible pinch. I have a friend in law enforcement and had issues with this. It started to affect his shooting he said. He is a large guy with big hands.

The Truth About Ballistol!

Arc Angel — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 14:11:01 GMT

:thumbsup: Good thread with an excellent diversity of opinion (None of it, 'wrong')!

I love Ballistol; and, as for the smell, well ....... I could wear it as aftershave! Someone should add to this thread that Ballistol works best if you let it sit in the barrel for, at least, several hours before cleaning; and letting it sit in the bore overnight would be even better.

Yes, it's true! Ballistol is NOT a good long term storage treatment. Personally, I wouldn't coat gun metal with it for more than 90 to 120 days before wiping the gun down a second time. It can, and does, become, 'gummy' after sitting on a gun for an extended period of time. (70% rubbing alcohol is a perfect solvent for Ballistol residue.)

Two of the very best chemicals you can put on any polymer frame are Ballistol; or just plain, common ordinary, pharmacy-grade mineral oil (A principal ingredient in Ballistol). I swear my Glock frames seem to rejuvenate themselves whenever I wipe them down with Ballistol. There's a pint can of Ballistol sitting on my desk, right now; and I've got another quart of it on the shelf in the my old reloading room.

Has anyone mentioned that, although it does darken many of the lighter colors, Ballistol does an excellent job of softening and preserving: gun leather, sheaths, belts, and boots too! Another outstanding quality that shouldn't be overlooked is Ballistol's remarkable ability to properly clean up after using either a black powder firearm, or corrosive primers!

REFER: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1470361

Remembrance

Doc McGlock — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:17:48 GMT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Java Junky

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...bMnU&vq=medium

Is this JJ from Jersey?

The Art of Gunfighting

gunslinger g21 — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 04:25:49 GMT

As an armmed American you have a responsibility to youself and your family to learn to use your firearms and other weapons proficently. Just having a bunch of toys to show your boys and to impress the chicks is doing a diservice to everyone arround you. As a warrior trains to go to war you must do the same. America has lost it's warrior mentality, and must regain it NOW. Most Americans are all about looks and image now. Our egos don't allow us to seek other more proficent warriors to learn from. If this describes you, you will be sorry in the event of a real life and death encounter.

First you should only spend money on the tools that you need, not what makes you look cool. You must use the tools in your toolbox to their potential. Your body and mind are the most important weapons you have. Prepare for the worst case scenario. In the event of real combat you will revert to your lowest level of training that you have mastered. Train with others that are better and challenge you, not people who you can whoop on. Buy the best you can afford, and if you can do without it wait until you can get the best.

MORE TO COME

My Own Favorite Military Hero!

Arc Angel — Tue, 05 Feb 2013 01:32:57 GMT

:upeyes: There are a lot of military heroes. The history books are full of them! Confederate Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, and U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Anthony B. Herbert immediately come to mind.

However, the greatest battle-scarred warrior I've, personally, ever known is United States Marine First Lieutenant Heywood Lawrence Day: Four, round, silver dollar-sized scars on his torso; ugly, twisted shrapnel wounds on his back; and a piercing bayonet wound through his left hand.

Mr. Day was the first, and (possibly) the only person in my life to demonstrate: strength, bravery, tenacity, stoicism, compassion, and kindness ALL in the same human being. He took a spoiled, soft, young boy; and by his own outstanding personal example he showed that 9 year old lad what he owed it to himself to grow up to be. ;)

I suppose Mr. Day is gone now; it's, surely, been a lot of years since I, last, saw him; but as long as I'm alive something of Mr. Day's outstanding martial character shall live on in me; and THAT is the highest personal accolade I can pay the man! :thumbsup:

ADDED: Oh, yeah, let's not forget U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel, 'Bo' Gritz. Controversial? Yes. (So was Colonel Herbert.) Undoubtedly, though, another man of, both, valor AND conscience. In my experience it's always a whole lot easier to be flat-out brave than it is to be, both, brave AND conscientious.

Why are you scared of Gun Registration?

Bluzman — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:01:00 GMT

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamer

Not in California. When we run a warrants and driver's license check or vehicle registration, there is no information regarding CCW permits. There never has been. The only way we'd find out is to ask.

Might be just a county or state, but my brother hears CCW info on his scanner and also whether vehicle's car insurance is up to date.
I obey the law so I could care less, we have probably the nicest state and local police officers I have had the pleasure to meet. I'm more concerned with Federal Agents in this area, not local Leo.
Cheers,
Phil

What's Happened To The America Of My Youth?

Arc Angel — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:34:16 GMT

:shame: Despicable!

Doesn't seem like America, anymore, to me. The men who raised me, the men whom I idolized in my youth, suffered terribly through two world wars and Korea. They carried both the physical and emotional scars of their battles with them for the rest of their lives.

I'm really trying to get used to all of this insane gun legislation - Legislation that would have had no place, at all, in the America of my youth. Today the world, in general; and this country, in particular, appear to be going mad.

Just like the Holy Bible, the American Constitution and the Bill Of Rights are becoming obsolete; and everybody's going Socialist and eating Mexican rather than simply being the Republicans and Democrats I remember from my youth.

I grew up eating meals like: Mulligan stew, pot roast, pork and sauerkraut, Virginia ham and scalloped potatoes; and, every once in awhile, Spaghetti dishes. Frankly, I don't want to, 'Live mas!', or eat at Taco Bell. I hate refried beans!

The old, 'insane' is now today's, 'normal'. In a nation that wouldn't long survive without a heavily armed military, everybody is expected to serve, then (If they survive.) come home, and surrender all their guns - The whole thing is crazy and very un:american! :freak:

:headscratch: (I guess it really is the devil's world! I can't think of any other rational explanation for all of this insane Socialist crap.) :dunno:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...1468960&page=2

Shooting Lead Bullets In A Glock!

Arc Angel — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:12:25 GMT

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdm1962

Ok, this must have been asked several times before. Are cast lead bullets safe to shoot in Glocks or not? I have been reloading for 25+ years. Cast bullets are what I load for practice ammo. I am new to owning and shooting this platform.

I have read some posts that say they are safe. Other post talk of the, �KaBoom!� effect. Is it safe to only shoot a limited amount and then give the barrel a good cleaning? I there a good and sound rule of thumb that can followed? Knowledgeable advice is welcome. Thanks Ralph

:) OK, here�s what I can tell you: Keep the BHN * above 12 and below (about) 18. Make sure your bullet diameter is no more than .001" over bore diameter, and NOT equal to or below it. Keep the muzzle velocity below (about) 1,100 fps.

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD SHOOT LEAD BULLETS IN THEIR GLOCKS.

I have many times! When you're first getting started with lead bullets check your bore frequently for leading. After awhile, and with a little acquired experience, you�ll know what to expect, and for how long you can shoot BEFORE stopping to brush out the barrel. (All of my polygonal bores are coated with Sentry Solutions, �Smooth-Kote� PASSIVATED molybdenum disulfide.) Do these things and I don't expect a person with 25 years of experience reloading cast bullets to have any problem at all. :thumbsup:

To the best of my knowledge, Glock is one of very few manufacturers of mandrel-formed polygonal barrels that recommends against the use of lead bullets in their hammer-forged barrels; AND, given the broad lack of correct knowledge about this topic among the general shooting public, I'd have to say that Glock, GmbH is (probably) correct in making such a recommendation. For shooter/reloaders like you and me, though, the subject is moot. ;)

Suggested Reading: Post #4, Here: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...3#post20087383

* 'BHN' = Brinell Hardness Number.

ADVISORY: I am NOT a Certified Glock Armorer! (I'm only that armorer which Gaston Glock has forced me to become.) ;)