Originally Posted by KiloLee

I was pulled over on the way to a service call (Roadside assistance), 4 seperate violations:

-Speeding (5 over)
-No seatbelt (Automatic shoulder-belt with seperate lap-belt)

-Improper exhaust (Not my car)
-Altered suspension (Not my car)

Luckily, I was released from all 4 citations, due to it being someone else's vehicle, and because of the helpful nature and reputation of my company.

Also, my first time ever being pulled while carrying a firearm.
The only thing that made me nervous is when the Officer started removing all twenty rounds from my Glock 17.
I believe that there are situations where there is an extra penalty per bullet.
Got asked when/where/why I bought it, but no issues with it at all.

The officer also advised that I obtain my CHP, to "avoid this stuff later" (the thorough weapon-check?). Good man.

Moderator Note: This was moved from the Open Carry Stories sticky for discussion.

Originally Posted by High Altitude

I want to make a list of all the firearm manufacturers that will ABSOLUTELY cover shipping, inbound and back to you, to fix a firearm that you bought new, that doesn't work and is being fixed under warranty etc....

2 that I know for certain.........

S&W
Ruger

Manufactures that DO NOT..........

Glock
Para

Help me out guys, I really would like to make a list.

Originally Posted by fastbolt

Won't make a specific recommendation. I preferred to avoid doing so for folks at my own agency, at least until I could observe them using different guns on the firing line in some demanding drills.

Even then I wanted them to decide for themselves, after making a realistic assessment of their own skills and demonstrated abilities when they were subjected to demanding drills.

Some things I'[d consider, though ...

Does caliber matter regarding access to issued duty/training ammo? If more free ammo makes you more likely to training & practice more often, then matching the caliber to what's available at your agency seems like a prudent consideration.

How familiar are you with the Glock compared to the Sig you've been using? I mean, really? Does that matter to you? Going to address any concerns with several months of additional range time? maybe run the gun through a training class or two, so you can check your skillset? Maybe some IDPA sessions? Or, are you just looking to hang something new on your belt that you "like"?

Any issues transitioning from the Sig's operation/ergos to the Glock ... for you? Only you can answer that potential concern. You're the one who's going to have to stake your life (and the lives of others) on that combination of gun & shooter. What works for me may not be relevent to what works for you.

Sure, the smaller (but not-so-little) P239 is a fine little compact single-stack defensive weapon. Familiarity of operation is a fine thing. Make sure the slight change in grip thickness and control positioning (due to size differences) works as you desire, though, or at least is something that you're able & willing to address with more familiarization and range time.

I once had a guy who carried an issued Sig on-duty pick a P239 for off-duty, and he started experiencing premature slide lock (with ammo remaining in the mag). He was a right-handed shooter, but strongly felt his thumb was not involved. Another instructor (also right-handed) shot then gun and experienced the same thing. I shot the gun and couldn't get it to act up. The owner wasn't available (of course), but the other instructor who was able to duplicate the "problem" was, so we went downrange and I had him demonstrate the problem.

The problem occurred when he shot the gun, but not when I shot it. However, when I had him shoot the gun left-handed, the "problem" suddenly went away. :shocked: I suggested he do some work with the owner about proper grip with the smaller Sig, especially regarding thumb placement. As it turned out, the slide stop lever was just enough differently placed for the right-handed shooter's thumb to create an occasional problem with a couple of shooters more experienced with shooting larger Sig pistols.

I won't use "conversion" barrels for a weapon that's going to be used for a dedicated defensive weapon.

Once a slide/barrel/frame insert (steel block in the frame that the barrel's feedramp impacts during unlocking/recoil) develop wear patterns for that barrel in that slide, using another caliber barrel might create slightly different wear patterns at the contact points (wear & impact points). Repeatedly switching back and forth between barrels might produce differences which adversely affect tolerances. We were told in the armorer class that this might affect accuracy at some point, or maybe even proper functioning. The armorer instructor told us that Sig does not recommend their LE customers change calibers by changing barrels. (But they'll apparently sell a .357 barrel to a .40 user, and vice versa, since they're in the business of selling guns ... and they'll always be willing to sell you another gun if yours get battered out of proper condition for whatever reason. :whistling: )

Want another caliber? Buy another gun. We're not talking about sporting, leisure, target or game guns ... we're talking about dedicated defensive guns upon which lives may rely at some point. Suit yourself, though. I took the Sig armorer instructor's comments at face value, and the last time I asked Glock about using a G33 barrel in a G27, I was told they no longer recommend such conversions. The gentleman was somewhat adamant in his answer, too.

Now, this brings up another potential consideration, being maintenance, repair and armorer-level support. Your agency probably has at least one Sig armorer. Will he/she repair a personally-owned off-duty weapon? How about having a Glock armorer on-staff? Any policies against repairing/maintaining a personally-owned weapon other than a designated armorer or an authorized gunsmith/repair facility?

These are the sorts of things that can pop up and bite you, increasing your exposure to unnecessary liability if something happens which calls into question the maintenance of a weapon used in a shooting ... and which may allow an agency to create distance between themselves and an officer who didn't follow "policy" for such things. Sometimes civil suits can find traction in the most unexpected places, and litigation can become expensive.

Find something you like, can handle and manipulate well, can shoot well and can maintain according to whatever requirements exist for your agency.

You might consider making it something that's easily replaced, should it actually be used and taken into evidence/property for the duration of an investigation, and/or subsequent civil action.

It's just an off-duty weapon, though. Suit yourself (within policy ;) ).

Originally Posted by "Cold Dead Hands" !

G36 !
Best single stack out there.

Originally Posted by ATW525

I asked this in The GATE. Mas and RussP thought it a better topic for CI. I'm interested more in the legal aspects of what the armed citizen can do, rather than the tactical considerations.

Okay, let's say an armed citizen is inside the doorway of a convenience store, pizza parlor, bank or similar robbery target when they observe a person approaching the door wearing some type of mask to conceal their face and carrying what clearly appears to be a firearm in their hand. The potential threat will be coming through the door in moments. Assuming that both the mask and the carrying of a firearm in hand are both inappropriate for the circumstances, what can the armed citizen do at this point?

I'm interested more in the legal aspects of what the armed citizen can do, rather than the tactical considerations. Can the fact that the approaching person is wearing a mask and carrying a gun establish jeopardy even though that person hasn't directly threatened anyone yet?

I'll throw out a little more background on where this question is coming from. Yesterday I was reading the account of an incident another CCW was involved in and a part of the story that stood out to me was that CCW holder actually saw the bad guy approaching with his face covered and gun in hand and his first thought that it was a joke. After reading his tale, I noticed that I was more keyed in to my surroundings last night as I was out picking up a pizza for dinner and later that night I got to thinking about "what if" I had actually seen somebody wearing a mask and carrying a gun approaching the door of the pizza place while I was inside. What level of force would be appropriate in response to this situation? Obviously things become a lot more clear once he's inside, pointing a gun at people and declaring his hostile intentions, but waiting for that point before taking some kind of action seems unwise to me.

Originally Posted by Magnus2131

I don't care what you think of the guy. Sometimes I think he over thinks things and comes up with stupid things like making commercials with Nancy but it is so refreshing to see a Republican take on the media. Not wanting to make this political, just wanting to know your opinion on that aspect alone.

Originally Posted by Glenn E. Meyer

Carry ammo - no, because most civilian gun usages have no shots fired

Train - no, because most people in civilian gun fights haven't trained.

Carry a higher capacity semi- no, because most civilian gun fights only take 2 rounds

Learn to shoot at more that 3 to 5 feet - no, because most civilian guns fights take place at this distance

Carry an extra mag or speed load - again, it's only to three rounds

Carry a BUG - no, because I don't go to bad places where I need an extra gun. My carry gun has been 100% reliable as I have 500 rounds through it. Most civilian gun fights only take 2 or 3 rounds.

--- Not going to bad places applies to other points above also.

Carry with a round in the chamber - no, the Israelis don't. I might shoot myself. I can draw and fire with two hands as quick as one. I won't injure my hand - when has that happened? No one will grab my gun because I am in Situationally Aware Code Color Gamma Ray Nova Burst at all times. No one can get near me - even in the supermarket line.

Take statistics, research design or FOF classes - because - figure it out!:whistling:

Originally Posted by Glockster45ACP

It's going to be a long night. Congrats and welcome!

Originally Posted by Glk25n28

I'm new here as well. I've had a Glock 17 and 19 for many years, but just picked up a G21, Gen 4 and a G36 in the past week. The 21 is really sweet. It may convince me to sell one of my custom 1911s.

Originally Posted by Mopaw

The postings above will show you that there are only a few .22 pistols to stay away from. On the positive side, Ruger will give you the most versatility and dependability. There are plenty of parts and upgrades for Mark I, II, and III, and the 22/45. Pawn shops are a good place to find bargains (and overpriced guns-be sure to haggle). Feel the difference in the grip angle between the Marks and the 22/45- you have a choice. Want a particular barrel length? several to choose from in all those models.Want aftermarket grips, springs, etc? lots to choose from out there. My fun-gun is a MKII, 6 7/8 barrel, Hogue grip. For yourself, pick & choose until you are happy!

Originally Posted by nikerret

I dont knwo about michdihst llawm , but we are agthatharer s of infotmation. iF it could affect anything that gows on, proably best to ersll us. If it coms ip latet in the tsotm or what evert reason, it mau look loke you were trying to kisd it, hich isnt a vert ccw theing to do.

Originally Posted by guitarguy69

I am just curious to see how many of us have a physical limitation that either positively or negatively affects our ability to shoot a handgun? I have been a semi pro golfer and seen lots of arthritis and other afflictions affect golfers. I am a guitar tech and luthier and have seen lots of musicians with arthritis or other afflictions also. But I was wondering the other day, after reading a thread about a guy in a wheelchair that shoots at the range, what others go through to enjoy shooting guns in general?

Originally Posted by OXCOPS

As part of my New Year's Day tradition, we remember those lost in 2011.

First, the stats...


Total Line of Duty Deaths: 163
Aircraft accident: 1
Animal related: 1
Assault: 5
Automobile accident: 35
Drowned: 4
Duty related illness: 7
Explosion: 1
Gunfire: 66
Gunfire (Accidental): 4
Heart attack: 10
Heat exhaustion: 1
Motorcycle accident: 4
Stabbed: 2
Struck by vehicle: 4
Training accident: 1
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 12
Weather/Natural disaster: 1


By Month
January: 18
February: 14
March: 20
April: 11
May: 14
June: 13
July: 15
August: 16
September: 10
October: 7
November: 6
December: 19


By State
Alabama: 3
Arizona: 2
Arkansas: 1
California: 10
Colorado: 1
Delaware: 1
Florida: 13
Georgia: 10
Hawaii: 1
Illinois: 2
Indiana: 2
Iowa: 2
Kansas: 1
Louisiana: 3
Maine: 1
Maryland: 2
Massachusetts: 1
Michigan: 5
Minnesota: 1
Mississippi: 1
Missouri: 6
Montana: 1
New Jersey: 5
New York: 11
North Carolina: 7
North Dakota: 2
Ohio: 6
Oklahoma: 2
Oregon: 3
Pennsylvania: 4
Puerto Rico: 4
South Carolina: 3
South Dakota: 3
Tennessee: 6
Texas: 13
Tribal Police: 2
U.S. Government: 13
Virginia: 5
Washington: 2
Wisconsin: 1
Wyoming: 1


By Gender
Male: 152
Female: 11


Average age: 40
Average tour of duty: 12 years, 8 months

Originally Posted by Fred Hansen

I would only add an observation made by Professor J. Rufus Fears: (paraphrasing from memory) “You’re going to laugh, but there is truth in this: honor can only exist in an age that takes the duel seriously.” His position being that when one must put one's very life on the line, the level of honor, honesty, and politeness--at least among peers--would be at a maximum saturation in society. Now all anyone needs are sufficient resources to hire lawyers, PR people and/or spin doctors, and they can literally get away with murder.

No solution is perfect, but if anyone thinks that our current legal system--the one that keeps the revolving doors at the courts and prisons spinning at warp speed--isn't complicit in maintaining a blood feud at least among our drug gangs, is seriously deluding themselves.

Add to that the cities and states who purposefully disarm the innocent, and I can't see anything good about the status quo. Then again I ain't got no fancy book learnin'; unlike our beloved Leaders. :upeyes:

:dunno:

Originally Posted by Straight Pipe

(1) If some one pleads guilty to a crime they can not appeal the conviction.

(2) Sarcasm is way over some people's heads.

Originally Posted by razdog76

I think Coptalk is like morning radio, there are many more people listening to the conversations, than participating.

Originally Posted by Dragoon44

I learned,

The police are unnecessary, if you own a gun you will never need to call the cops.

Never let facts or logic interfere with your opinions.

Always judge things with hindsight after all the facts known. Never consider actions according to what someone knew or reasonably believed at the time they took action.

Even after your post has been demolished and your "facts" dis proven just keep repeating the same drivel over and over again like it's the truth.

When getting your ass handed to you in a debate deflect, deflect, deflect. NEVER admit your views are not supported by facts or logic, deflect and change tactics.

Proclaim your self a champion of liberty and freedom loudly damning what you perceive to be infringements on YOUR liberty and freedom while supporting restrictions on other peoples freedoms and liberties to get what you want.

Many upstanding posters proclaim themselves certified law abiding good guys while apparently having regular contact with the police in regards to their driving habits.

After having thousands of posts where you have expressed your opinions, ideas, and revealed the general level of your intelligence make sure to tell any opponent that takes issue with you that they know NOTHING about you.

Originally Posted by Cubdriver

Well, as someone who's NOT associated with law enforcement, I personally enjoy reading this section of the forum and am glad that it's not LEO only. It's interesting to see things from your point of view, and to varying degrees horrifying - fascinating - amusing and insightful to read your stories. People never cease to amaze me (and all too often NOT in a good way), and by the nature of your profession it seems you guys get to interact with many of the more 'colorful' ones on a regular basis.

I've learned some tips for traffic stops that I might not otherwise have thought of - things like dome light on at night, make an effort to be calm and move slowly, say what you're going to do before doing it (like in don't quickly dive for the glove compartment when asked for registration), etc. Thus far I've not needed to put this new information to use as I try to avoid interacting with you folks on a 'professional' level, but it's good to know it just in case. I'd never really thought about just how high-stress pulling someone over is for the cop until really stopping and thinking about it. I'd bet long odds that MOST people don't give it a thought.

Knowledge gained here has also been helpful in debating idiots on facebook and in other forums yipping about things like the horrible police brutality in the OWS protests, trying to explain ask-tell-make, ferreting out the WHOLE video, and not just the part where the allegedly peaceful students sitting and singing hymns were mercilessly hosed down with OC without any warning or provocation. It's nice to occasionally see someone's eyes opened up when they see the ten minutes leading up to the news clip where the police tried just about everything to get the crowd to disperse, and also see the 'innocent' :upeyes: party screaming, swearing, threatening and practically going ballistic while the cops stand there biting their tongues and trying to calmly reason with them. It puts things in a different light.

It's also amusing to see you take on unarmed opponents in battles of wits here on the forum.

Dragoon's dinosaur stories are cool - it's good to hear from someone with first-hand knowledge. :tongueout:

And TBO, welcome back from your hiatus.

Hope all of you have a safe holiday season, and keep up the good work.

-Pat

Originally Posted by Misty02

This doesn’t necessarily have to do with the shooting itself; however, I’ve learned a few things from following self-defense cases. Some I’ve learned from the same people in this thread that have provided you with what I consider to be sound and valuable advice.

Many of us don’t have a clue what we’ll go through if we are forced to take a life or how we will react thereafter. Prepare yourself as best as possible for the emotional and mental aspects of it. Think of the very worst that could happen and prepare for that, hopefully that will allow for lesser things to be more manageable.

You may not know who the criminal was, his background (criminal or otherwise) or who he has ties with. I don’t have a facebook or other similar site so that part is for the benefit of others:

1. Before the conflict, don’t post identifying pictures or comments that reveal your child’s school, extracurricular activities or known landmarks that are close to places you frequent, the same for you and your spouse.
2. After the conflict, delete you facebook or other networking site that contains any personal information or information about people you know.
3. Stay away from the media.
4. Increase vigilance and insist the rest of the family does the same.
5. Have your family keep you informed of things/people that seem out of place.
6. Discuss and implement appropriate cautionary measures with the family and close friends that may be affected.
7. Good neighbors will be a greater asset than ever, extra eyes won’t hurt. Ask them to let you know of any vehicles or people that don’t seem to belong.
8. Do google and other available searches to see what the attacker/ accomplices are discussing on line.
9. If there are threats, evaluate the credibility (that may be harder than it sounds)
10. Report all threats to the police (whether credible or not), establish the paper trail.
11. If the threat is credible, alert the school so extra precautions are taken with your child.
12. If you post about it online, do not use your name or theirs, this reduces their ability to do searches (on your name to see what you or others are saying on their name to see what others are saying about him).
13. Lather, rinse and repeat, if there is a trial it all starts all over again, at sentencing, at parole hearings, at release.
14. If they died, be sure to know when their birthday is (you’ll know the date of death). Those are days to be a little extra vigilant.


Best of luck! I hope you never need any of this.

Originally Posted by Morris

Recently, you have seen a series of actions by certain unnamed groups and federal types in regards to cops across the US. I offer you some things to consider:

1) You lash out angrily when you deem your rights are violated. Yet you routinely violate mine and curtail mine on and off duty.

2) You demand respect at all times, in all contacts, in all areas. Yet you spit in my face and call me stupid names, acting disrespectfully.

3) You complain when I drive too fast on the street. Yet you scream that I can't get to your house fast enough when you call 911.

4) You sit for hours, watching cop like shows and believing everything presented as "realistic drama." Yet you can't find the time to hot seat in the passenger side for a ride-along for a real view of drama.

5) You expect us to be tough. Yet you scorn us when we break down.

6) You put us on pedestals. Yet you kick that pedestal from underneath us whenever you can.

7) You cry about how unfair it is you were cited for speeding. Yet you always mutter "Where's a cop when you need one" when that silver bullet blows past you on the highway.

8) You expect us to be perfect in all areas, in all facets, in all parts of life. Yet you yourself are not.

9) You want us to be your psychologist or therapist even though we don't have the training, or degree, for that.

10) You expect us to be a surrogate parent and punisher when you cannot be one yourself.

When you understand this, then perhaps, we can talk at a peer level.

Sincerely,

Your local officer

Originally Posted by Dogpatch06

Good article about self-defense. Not specifically about carrying a gun.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...bout-violence/

His 3 main principles:

#1: Avoid dangerous people and dangerous places.
#2: Do not defend your property.
#3: Respond immediately and escape.

"This is the core principle of self-defense: Do whatever you can to avoid a physical confrontation, but the moment avoidance fails, attack explosively for the purposes of escape—not to mete out justice, or to teach a bully a lesson, or to apprehend a criminal. Your goal is to get away with minimum trauma (to you), while harming your attacker in any way that seems necessary to ensure your escape."


Good stuff.

Originally Posted by Sam Spade

There are three significant categories of people we deal with: victims, witnesses and suspects. If you're in a shooting, it's pretty clear that you're not a witness. So: victim or suspect? Where do you want to be filed, how do you want to set the tone for everything that follows?

If you're a victim, act like one. Victims do NOT invoke their right against sefl-incrimination. What they do is everything they can to make sure the bad guy gets caught.

At the same time, I understand people's fear of arrest and lawsuits. What I recommend is a basic statement. Identify yourself as the victim, including a rough description of the crime. Point out evidence and witnesses before they disappear. Describe the bad guys that got away. Then, politely stop talking. Something along the lines of, "Officer, I know that people get sued by criminals all the time and I don't want that to happen. I'll tell you things in detail as soon as I can talk to my lawyer." That's a whole lot more understandable, especially to a street cop, than someone who invokes or totally refuses.

Will you still be arrested? It really depends, mostly on circumstances but also on location. I know you're picturing shooting Mumar the Terrorist as he's about to kill a bus load of nuns and orphans, or maybe The Ripper as he's about to cut you. But reality is that you might end up shooting your crazy ex-'s new boy toy right after she came over to pick up her things. Or your cheating business partner who's boinking your wife on the side. NO ONE has a private life so unsullied that he can't end up is some real grey situations. But if you're a taxpayer defending yourself from an honest-to-goodness street crime (which is not the samething as a payment dispute over teener of meth), the odds are heavily on your side.

Originally Posted by Sam Spade

My job, like every cop's, is to determine the facts of the matter. Everyone, not just you, needs to fully understand that. This being a justified self-defense scenario---the OP said so---how can determining the truth do anything *but* help you?

Lawyer up, witnesses disappear, evidence is lost, the bad guy and his friends get the only words in---how is that better for you?

You ought not be equating honesty with bad motives or personality traits. Fact is, all opinions aren't created equal. I'm not sorry about that, it's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Sam Spade

From another forum...:whistling:

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

Journal of Personality and Social Psychology
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Abstract
People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.




Dude, you think that guys like us are about to get retirement jobs as Army Internment Specialists and run the welcome wagon for FEMA internment camps. You've never been in a self-defense shooting, you've absolutely never investigated one. You laugh at the internet and press when it talks about .9mm Glock revolvers but then embrace them when they tell you stories that you like. In short, you don't know what you don't know and you're not really in a position to give advice on a cop forum about cop investigations.

Originally Posted by Carrys

Lost all my bookmarks some time ago, now I'm trying to find the sites of several holster makers I had saved. They were for very nice hand tooled/stamped designed holsters. The type I've seen worn by the Texas Rangers and several other agencies.

I like holsters that seem to exhibit themselves as works of art. Not looking for exotic skins such as Shark, Ostrich, and the like, just super nice hand tooling on horse and/or cow hide.

I though I would ask here before spending all the time required to look for them again. Money if no object, just as long as the designs are nice, new, and even strange looking.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by jhall

http://www.ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53502

I think this was it. The Facebook links where the best

Originally Posted by huggytree

i bought a Glock extra mag holder for my belt, but now i wondering why i did

it just seems foolish to think id ever need more than 10 shots for any situation when the odds are 99.99999% that i will ever even draw my gun

do any of you carry a spare mag?

Originally Posted by fuzzyduck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDd_TYotrxw

HERE IT IS!!! Another point of view.

Originally Posted by id1otbox

In reality over 98% of the Israeli army does not carry a handgun. Mossad carry is designed for Mossad agents which are comparable to special forces here in America. It is not designed as a civilian style of weapon carry. If you are trained well enough it doesn't matter how you carry.

Originally Posted by Mas Ayoob

People have undoubtedly died because they froze when they should have acted, worrying about what the aftermath could be.

People have undoubtedly died because they froze when they should have acted, worrying about whether they could do what had to be done.

Obviously, you have to survive the confrontation in the street before you will need to worry about surviving the confrontation in the courts.

That said, the more the individuals fighting to survive know that they can handle the fight itself AND its aftermath, the better they'll be able to fight, AND prevail.

It's not either/or. It's each, in its time...and both well understood, long beforehand.

If both those understandings aren't solidly in place before the fight begins, no matter what your skill at arms, your foundation will be weak and can slip out from under you at the worst possible moment.

best,
Mas

Originally Posted by Bill D

It has always amazed me how many post they wear cargo shorts, T and polo shirts, jeans, etc. Nothing wrong with that.
But are you all, blue collar, young, undercover, or what? Only carry when off?
What about full time business carry? I wear dress trousers, oxford cloth shirts, and am a 65 year old Former Marine, dress my age, and carry 24/7, Keltec 380, Glock 26 or 19, depending on the weather and cover clothes.
And none of the T/ polo shirt guys have ever been made- BS! I tell them often they are carrying, and so am I!!!
I truly think many posters here are stretching the truth! Am I wrong?
So many say no one notices, bull!

Originally Posted by stevemc

I am wondering about opinions on this method. I would like to hear from people who have had "real world" experience, like cops or someone who has had to draw due to extreme circumstances. What was the timing like. Do you think it made a difference that the firearm was ready to go immediately. It is my own opinion that training to rack the slide while drawing is just as good as keeping it ready to fire all the time, with possible life saving benefits of avoiding ND by yourself or others, but I have zero experience in a situation.

Originally Posted by Teej

I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to as far a breaking down goes. I found breaking down an XD easier than a Glock. With my Glocks I have to almost contort my hand to one hand grasp the grip and hold the slide back. May just be me, but I think the XD's in that respect are easier to break down.

As for the differences in triggers, it seems like the XD will be easy to adjust to with some practice and a lot of dry firing.