Originally Posted by SevenSixtyTwo

Anyone watch football? Those guys aren't wimps. When they go down, I'm having a hard time imagining them drawing a weapon from concealment under their shirts and effectively using it. I've been tackled twice in my life. Once by a gang of thugs and once being mugged late at night out for a sandwich. Why folks think they'll be able to draw and shoot while under such an attack is beyond me. Your attacker if it ever happens isn't likely to be some limp wristed fruit loop in drag

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

There is a context to be considered here:

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defens...mass-shooting/

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...21/detail.html

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Knoxville_Un...hurch_shooting

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-shooting?lite

Originally Posted by Bren

A gun does not solve problems, any more than a wrench can fix your car.

A gun is a tool you can use to solve problems, just like a wrench can be used to fix your car.

If you do not know how to handle problems, whether violent crime or a broken-down car, no tool will help.

Originally Posted by Hack

Leaving a few bowls full. Bring your own beer.

Originally Posted by DaBigBR

Please provide case law supporting your assertion that some how handcuffing a person makes them "under arrest" and not merely "detained." You imply that the police need to have probable cause to place a person in handcuffs.

I submit the following:

Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)
Landmark case specifically establishing "reasonable, articulable suspicion" as the standard for investigatory stops.