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CCW with a 3.5lbs connector a legal liability?

Posted 06-09-2011 at 11:27 by RussP

CCW with a 3.5lbs connector a legal liability?
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Originally Posted by Walt_NC View Post
Anyone who has spent a little time hanging out at their local range, gun shop or online forums has probably run into some all-knowing “expert” warning of the legal dangers of customizing their concealed-carry weapon. For those of you who have not been blessed by such sage, unsolicited advice, the story goes like this:

"You have to be an idiot to lighten or smooth up your handgun’s trigger pull. Should you ever have to (justifiably) shoot a bad guy, you will get your ass handed to you in civil court. The bad guy’s lawyer will inevitably argue that your customized weapon was inherently unsafe, customizing your weapon shows that you are hell bent on shooting someone, etc.”

I’m a Glock guy and so I spend a bit of time browsing the Glock-centric forums. The general consensus seems to be that replacing the factory trigger connector with a 3.5 lbs connector will somehow turn your handgun in to a legal liability. I’m calling B.S. on this one. I’ve heard stories from a guy that knows a guy whose sister used to date a guy who worked with another guy who got his sued…..but I, myself, have never seen a specific instance of a CCW holder – involved in a justifiable shooting – get bent over in court because of a reasonably lightened trigger.

Can anyone cite specific cases where a gun owner got sued?

Can anyone make a reasonable case as to why I should not lighten my carry gun’s trigger pull to 4lbs?
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  1. Old Comment
    I cant tell if you are asking is it ok to modify the trigger pull, or if you are just posting what the other guy said.

    It is legal in most if not all states to change the trigger pull in a CCW pistol. Having a lighter trigger pull does not make people use lethal force illegally. In fact having a lighter pull and shorter trigger travel will help keep any follow up shots on target faster.

    When I carry concealed, I carry the same gun that I carry on duty, which is the same gun I shoot competition with which is a Glock 35 with a trigger pull right at 2lbs
    Posted 06-09-2011 at 22:21 by redneck1861 redneck1861 is offline
  2. Old Comment
    Same case as to why some departments (think NYPD/NYC DOC mainly) choose to make the Glock's have a NY2 approx 12.5 # trigger. I don't think I read anywhere in the NYS Penal Law about modifying a trigger pull with factory parts (ie Glock - connector) but it does have sections outlining defaced firearms and high capacity magazines, assault weapons, and what weapons are and so forth.

    +1 to redneck1861. I rather have a stock trigger and be able to be on threat/target faster and more accurately than a modified heavier "safer" trigger and be off target due to the struggle with a heavy pull. Not many people can shoot a Glock with NY2 with as much accuracy and speed as someone with a stock trigger.

    If it is a Glock part, is it really a modification?
    Posted 06-10-2011 at 12:50 by JasonC8301 JasonC8301 is offline
  3. Old Comment
    [QUOTE]but I, myself, have never seen a specific instance of a CCW holder – involved in a justifiable shooting – get bent over in court because of a reasonably lightened trigger.
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    that is the key....a "reasonably lightened" trigger. Like it or not, Glock, Inc. has said that the target trigger setup on a Glock is not reasonable for a fighting handgun. The 3.5/4.5 connector is OK but only with the NY-1 trigger spring. That is where you get the problem. It is not that making a modification is a problem, it is that some modifications should not be done because they put the gun outside of the approved parameters for that firearm.
    Posted 06-13-2011 at 11:30 by David Armstrong David Armstrong is offline
  4. Old Comment
    PimpStick's Avatar
    Bullsh*t.

    *This is NOT intended to be legal advise to be relied upon, just my observations*

    I am a personal injury attorney and can tell you that, as long as you are talking about shooting a BG, the sole question will be if it was justified. Period. End of question. Not trigger pull or caliber. I have a GLOCK 29 on my nightstand and in my car, and the same crazy statements have been made about the 10mm. The point of a true self-defense situation is to stop the threat. The most effective way to do that is to, unfortunately, kill.

    Here in Indiana, the criminal code and civil standard is set out in Indiana Code 35-41-3-2.

    This is a brief recitation:

    IC 35-41-3-2
    Use of force to protect person or property
    Sec. 2. (a) A person is justified in using reasonable force against another person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:
    (1) is justified in using deadly force; and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
    (b) A person:
    (1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.
    (c) With respect to property other than a dwelling, curtilage, or an occupied motor vehicle, a person is justified in using reasonable force against another person if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to immediately prevent or terminate the other person's trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person's possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person's immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect. However, a person:
    (1) is justified in using deadly force; and
    (2) does not have a duty to retreat;
    only if that force is justified under subsection (a).
    (d) A person is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person and does not have a duty to retreat if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or stop the other person from hijacking, attempting to hijack, or otherwise seizing or attempting to seize unlawful control of an aircraft in flight. For purposes of this subsection, an aircraft is considered to be in flight while the aircraft is:
    (1) on the ground in Indiana:
    (A) after the doors of the aircraft are closed for takeoff; and
    (B) until the aircraft takes off;
    (2) in the airspace above Indiana; or
    (3) on the ground in Indiana:
    (A) after the aircraft lands; and
    (B) before the doors of the aircraft are opened after landing.


    Now, if you modify your GLOCK and that modification causes injury or death due to an accident...you might have civil liability based on the circumstances.

    NOTE that subsection (d) was added by the Indiana Legislature after 9/11/01
    Posted 06-15-2011 at 21:22 by PimpStick PimpStick is offline
    Updated 06-15-2011 at 21:24 by PimpStick (Added Note)
  5. Old Comment
    RussP's Avatar
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redneck1861 View Comment
    I cant tell if you are asking is it ok to modify the trigger pull, or if you are just posting what the other guy said.
    Just posting what the other guy said.
    Posted 07-12-2011 at 05:14 by RussP RussP is offline
 

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