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alfred10
04-24-2011, 23:33
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=158

I am most likly to encounter a black bear but I want the deepest penetrating round that wont blow a Glock 20 up.

glock_19guy1983
04-24-2011, 23:42
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=158

I am most likly to encounter a black bear but I want the deepest penetrating round that wont blow a Glock 20 up.

Ummm maybe .45-70 and a marlin guide gun instead. More than likely you are just gonna piss a grizzly bear off with a 10mm.

intheburbs
04-25-2011, 00:21
Personally, I'd go with a big bore revolver, but if you must use 10mm, I'd go with the 230-grain hardcast. Big chunk o' lead for a 10.

firemedic1343
04-25-2011, 00:35
No handgun is good enough as a primary.

intheburbs
04-25-2011, 00:47
No handgun is good enough as a primary.

<------I think this might be sufficient. Loadings with more muzzle energy than a 30-06, equal to a 12-gauge magnum slug load, bullet weights up to 700 grains.

Not saying I plan to do any bear hunting with it, but I would feel reasonably protected in bear country.

Edmo01
04-25-2011, 06:29
No handgun is good enough as a primary.

After a few years in Alaska, the general thoughts from the experts on the subject was this...

Edmo

SDGlock23
04-25-2011, 06:53
Grizzly + 10mm = bad news.

firemedic1343
04-25-2011, 09:08
After a few years in Alaska, the general thoughts from the experts on the subject was this...

Edmo

I guess if I had to choose, I'd go with a 220 grain HC Buffalo Bore and hope to get a shot through the mouth into the brain cavity while he's eating me for dinner. :wavey:

dsa1115
04-25-2011, 09:12
I would highly advise you to consider a 10MM as a backup only. Your best bet is a 12 gauge loaded with slugs as your primary, or a 45-70. The 10MM might be ok for black bear but IMO, for browns it's not enough.

Darkangel1846
04-25-2011, 11:23
Check this link the last post says it all

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1338810

WorrGlock
04-25-2011, 11:44
I am BIG fan of the 10mm but in this case I consider it backup :whistling:

TriggerFinger
04-25-2011, 12:28
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=158

I am most likly to encounter a black bear but I want the deepest penetrating round that wont blow a Glock 20 up.


Double Tap is not as "strong" as they claim. They Lie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycE87lPBFQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycE87lPBFQ)

Aeroscoper
04-25-2011, 13:54
Double Tap is not as "strong" as they claim. They Lie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycE87lPBFQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycE87lPBFQ)

Did I miss something? I didn't see DT ammo tested....

FatBoy
04-25-2011, 14:03
Take what ever you want. Just shoot your friend in the leg and run. Remember the golden rule about the Griz....You don't have to out run the bear, just the guy w/ you.:)

FB

Glolt20-91
04-25-2011, 14:10
In a random 10 bullet sample of DT's 230gr WFNs, average bullet weight was 223.7 grains; hi 224.8grs, lo 221.9grs. A stock Glock barrel probably will not stabilize DT's 230gr WFN, the bullet will begin tumbling before hitting its target.

From the voice of experience;

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/defensive.html


Final thoughts

It should be clearly understood that although a properly loaded large caliber handgun can be successfully deployed against an attacking bear, it certainly is not the gun of choice. It is best regarded as the gun of last resort. In my opinion, the short barreled lever-action carbine firing heavy bullets at modest speed reins supreme for the specific task of stopping a determined bruin. Also, as with the handgun, the lever-action carbine should be chambered in the largest caliber the shooter can handle. For most shooters this is probably the 45-70 with blunt hard-cast bullets of extreme weight.

- Randy Garrett


Bob :cowboy:

fredj338
04-25-2011, 16:01
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=158

I am most likly to encounter a black bear but I want the deepest penetrating round that wont blow a Glock 20 up.
Then carry a 44mag or heavy 45colt loads. The 10mm is a good service round, but not a grizz round. Best 10mm round would be a 416Rem, Rigby or 404jeffery in a sutiable rifle for grizz.

Berto
04-25-2011, 17:01
Just load the Glock with a round that will blow it up, then throw it at the Grizzly.

Roering
04-25-2011, 17:18
You sure you need that much?

You know, what with all the advances in 9mm bullet technology and all. :rofl:

Fedor
04-25-2011, 17:25
Did I miss something? I didn't see DT ammo tested....

No DT ammo on that video. :rofl:

TriggerFinger
04-25-2011, 17:41
Sorry about that VID. Here's the results after more was added to that video.

Double Tap numbers are exagerated a lot more than the other brands do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcbUR...e_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcbURf-zT0U&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Zombie Steve
04-25-2011, 20:08
10mm is plenty for grizz, just shoot his claws and teeth off then you can duke it out with him mano a mano.

mike28w
04-25-2011, 20:59
10mm is plenty for grizz, just shoot his claws and teeth off then you can duke it out with him mano a mano.

I was once told that when using a handgun for grizzly defence, you should alway file off the front sight......That way it won't hurt so much when the bear shoves it up your a**.....:whistling:

bush pilot
04-25-2011, 22:06
Count the rounds as you're shooting, be sure to save the last one for yourself.

Glolt20-91
04-27-2011, 14:00
10mm is plenty for grizz, just shoot his claws and teeth off then you can duke it out with him mano a mano.

Prioritize, which teeth would you shoot first?

Bob :cowboy: :supergrin:

alfred10
04-27-2011, 22:36
I am BIG fan of the 10mm but in this case I consider it backup :whistling:

I want to carry the 10mm when I cant carry anything else and might encounter something. If I am going deep in the woods I will carry a big bore revolver and use the 20 as a backup. If I am camping out I might bring a rifle but this is unlikly.

Are most common 10mm loads much better than anyother glock caliber in terms of penetration? WIll a 10mm penetrate more than a .357 mag out of a 4 inch barrel?

alfred10
04-27-2011, 22:38
Would you guys trust a 10mm for black bear? Would it be better than a .45 for smaller stuff such as coyotes, mountain lyons, and other dangerous animals?

fredj338
04-27-2011, 23:31
Would you guys trust a 10mm for black bear? Would it be better than a .45 for smaller stuff such as coyotes, mountain lyons, and other dangerous animals?
Any handgun is better than no handgun for any kind of dangerous animal. You are more likely to run into a dangerous person than animal in the woods, unless you are packing meat out of the hills in Wyoming or Montana or Alaska, the 10mm should be fine. If you know you are going to be in the same area as even blackbear, take a suitable gun, that is NOT the 10mm. Yes w/ 200gr FMJ it will penetarte but the wound channel isn't going to be as impressive as a larger solid bullet. Good packing guns start at a 4" 41mag & go bigger IMO. If you are serious about a woods gun, then get a woods gun. If you only have the funds for the 10mm, then carry it w/ a good 200grFMJ & shoot straight. Bear spray isn't a bad idea either.

firemedic1343
04-28-2011, 04:41
Would you guys trust a 10mm for black bear? Would it be better than a .45 for smaller stuff such as coyotes, mountain lyons, and other dangerous animals?

Unless that .45 ends in 70...

The 10mm will possibly give you far more penetration. And that's not something you just need due to possibly facing heavier than human anatomy, you also may need it to shoot through brush or other things in between you and the danger. I like the .45 ACP a lot, but it would not be my choice in the woods.

For cats, the 10mm could work.


I want to carry the 10mm when I cant carry anything else and might encounter something. If I am going deep in the woods I will carry a big bore revolver and use the 20 as a backup. If I am camping out I might bring a rifle but this is unlikly.

Are most common 10mm loads much better than anyother glock caliber in terms of penetration? WIll a 10mm penetrate more than a .357 mag out of a 4 inch barrel?

There's debate over 10mm vs. .357 mag, it's possibly similar performance. As far as better than other Glocks, in the wood, I'd say it's the best stock Glock by far as far as I'm concerned.

TriggerFinger
04-28-2011, 09:42
Bear Spray has some ridiculous effective rate. Something like 97-98% of the times, it works.

Hey OP, why choose a 10mm and a good chance to piss off a bear over bear spray?

fredj338
04-28-2011, 10:14
Bear Spray has some ridiculous effective rate. Something like 97-98% of the times, it works.

Hey OP, why choose a 10mm and a good chance to piss off a bear over bear spray?

I think it's city boy worried about animal attacks. Bear spray is good, a heavy hitting handgun is final though. If you can't carry a rifle or shotgun, then heavy, large caliber handgun bullets are next up.

Fedor
04-28-2011, 10:44
I was once told that when using a handgun for grizzly defence, you should alway file off the front sight......That way it won't hurt so much when the bear shoves it up your a**.....:whistling:

ROTFLMFAO !!!! :rofl:

Dave Richardson
04-28-2011, 17:29
Mike28, I heard the same thing in Alaska about 25 years ago from a guide to a guy so proud of his Model 629. Then the Sourdough says, "Make sure you save the last round for yourself."

Zombie Steve
04-28-2011, 17:55
I think it's city boy worried about animal attacks. Bear spray is good, a heavy hitting handgun is final though. If you can't carry a rifle or shotgun, then heavy, large caliber handgun bullets are next up.

:supergrin:

In all fairness, I live in town, but I day hike or backpack in the mountains constantly here. More often than not, I'm trying to get to places where there won't be any people. In my 10 years of living here and all the times I've been where there is no cell phone reception or help, I've rarely seen and never been attacked by a bear, lion or a pika. :whistling:

I'm really more worried about lightning hitting me. Don't get me wrong... I'll always have a gun just in case (mainly for protection against humans), but water or the ability to purify water, food, a fixed blade knife, the ability to make fire, kerlix or Israeli bandages, a SAM splint, ACE or triangle bandage, et cetera are more likely to be used to save my hide. What cartridge my handgun is chambered in is even less important.

One thing you'll learn is that the software is more important than the hardware. If I don't have a SAM splint and roll my ankle, I can use sticks and twine. If I don't have a quality fixed blade knife, I can knap flint or obsidian. If I have a .45 auto because I was out of .44 mag (that will never happen:cool:), I'll make do just the same.

For what it's worth, I usually carry a 4" Smith 686 with 158 grain XTP handloads here. I have bigger guns, but they are also heavier. This one is a good all around compromise.

Good luck in the woods Alfred.

TriggerFinger
04-29-2011, 12:24
Bear spray is good, a heavy hitting handgun is final though. If you can't carry a rifle or shotgun, then heavy, large caliber handgun bullets are next up.

OP asked "Best 10mm Glock load for grizzly bears?"

Since we all read over and over that 10mm is not the best answer for grizzly attacks...

Bear spray vs large caliber handgun bullets. You would choose the handgun?

fredj338
04-29-2011, 13:26
OP asked "Best 10mm Glock load for grizzly bears?"

Since we all read over and over that 10mm is not the best answer for grizzly attacks...

Bear spray vs large caliber handgun bullets. You would choose the handgun?

In grizz country, you really need both. Go shooting up a grizz because you are afraid will certainly land you in jail & a fine. Bear spray is a good first line def, the heavy handgun a last resort. When I am in back country I always carry a 44mag or hvy 45colt, especially when packing meat & no rifle. Bear spray is a good start, the magnum is the finish. Why anyone thinks they are going to spray & pray a magazine of 10mm into a charging grizz, uh no. you'll get 1 maybe 2 good shots off, they better hit hard & dig deep.:dunno:

Glockdude1
04-29-2011, 13:28
Grizzly + 10mm = bad news.

Alfred10 + Bears = Another Alfred10 Bear thread!!!

:rofl:

eracer
04-29-2011, 13:30
Sorry if this is not appropriate for a technical forum...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVS1UfCfxlU

390ish
04-29-2011, 20:20
Snub nosed 38 is much easier to fit in your mouth in the event of a grizzly attack.

vafish
04-29-2011, 20:57
Snub nosed 38 is much easier to fit in your mouth in the event of a grizzly attack.

I was going to say the best 10MM round for a Grizzly attack is the Double Tap 135 gr Nosler at 1,600 fps.

Just wait until the bear is almost on top of you, stick the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger, you won't feel a thing as the bear eats you.

alfred10
04-30-2011, 08:25
How about the 10mm for black bear?

M&P Shooter
04-30-2011, 08:29
Ruger Super Black Hawk 44 magnum with some hard cast Buffalo Bore loads:wavey:

Glockdude1
04-30-2011, 09:14
http://www.runningbearartwork.com/images/bearhunter_full.jpg

:cool:

fredj338
04-30-2011, 09:28
Snub nosed 38 is much easier to fit in your mouth in the event of a grizzly attack.

Lighter to carry too.:rofl:

fredj338
04-30-2011, 09:30
How about the 10mm for black bear?
A big black bear can go well over 400#, a small grizz can be about that. Both are built about the same. Again, any handgun round is better than fighting w/ your hands, but if you are really afraid of a bear attack, carry a minimum suitable handgun. That is not a 10mm IMO. If you just want comfort in the woods, the 10mm is fine. Unless you are camping in bear country & smelling like food, the chances are pretty slim you'll even see one.

9jeeps
04-30-2011, 10:11
Seems to me if one needs to be comforted by a handgun in the woods that has big bears. Prudence would indicate one should stay out of that woods.