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Shadetreeman
04-04-2011, 18:10
Ok, looking for some info and load data on a cheap target load. FMJ or plated doesn’t matter what weight or powder.

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32dgrz
04-04-2011, 18:46
I use WST
My load is 4.6gr for 124 FMJ

Thanks Fred :)

GioaJack
04-04-2011, 19:14
Target Load 9mm


Sometimes the target is a Cape Buffalo... you're gonna need a bigger gun. :whistling:


Jack

WiskyT
04-04-2011, 19:28
3.5 Bullseye and a 125 lead bullet.

tjpet
04-04-2011, 19:35
4.5grns. WST w/Berry's 124grn.HP

3.5grns. WST w/147grn.RN (no specific brand or type).

EAA10
04-04-2011, 19:40
4.2 grains Universal with 115 berrys FMJ

PCJim
04-04-2011, 19:54
125gr LTC over 3.9gr BE. Keeps the skeeters at bay, makes PF for IDPA, is economical, and if using bright, shiney brass will attract women of loose morals.

Meathead9
04-04-2011, 22:18
I like a 147gr Berry's over 3.5gr Titegroup. It would be more cost effective to use 124gr bullets though.

XDRoX
04-04-2011, 23:27
124gr Berry's over 4.8gr of WST.

Boxerglocker
04-04-2011, 23:30
124gr Berry's over 4.8gr of WST.

Have you chronoed that load Chris?

I'm running 4.0 with a 135 Moly, no chron data yet though haven't had time.

cole
04-05-2011, 00:26
Ok, looking for some info and load data on a cheap target load. FMJ or plated doesn’t matter what weight or powder. Thanks,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Fast powder, short OAL and light plated bullet . That's your cheapest bet. Lead bullet even cheaper. Careful with any of that in 9mm. Not for me. Good luck.

Shadetreeman
04-05-2011, 06:29
So I looked at Berry’s 115gr, you can get 1000 for $84.58 but you can get Precision Delta 115gr FMJ for $74 per 1000. Which would be better and what powder.

rhino673
04-05-2011, 07:30
I use 4.0 Bullseye and a 124 grain Lead round nose and have had good results.( in a Sig P225) I had a few FTFs with 3.5 and it felt kinda puny.

1glockfan23
04-05-2011, 07:35
CCI 500 primer + Win 231 powder, 4.6grains + Berry Plated 115grain RN = prettty decent and cheap target ammo.

Zombie Steve
04-05-2011, 07:56
125gr LTC over 3.9gr BE. Keeps the skeeters at bay, makes PF for IDPA, is economical, and if using bright, shiney brass will attract women of loose morals.


I told you so, Jack!!!

XDRoX
04-05-2011, 08:12
Have you chronoed that load Chris?

I'm running 4.0 with a 135 Moly, no chron data yet though haven't had time.

Yep, 1082fps out of my G19. I've loaded a thousand or so at this charge. I use to load 4.5gr, then I switched to 4.6gr, and now 4.8gr which I'll stick to. My G26 didn't like the lighter loads. It functioned, just didn't throw the brass very far.

Here's some data I took:
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/wstdata.JPG

sig2009
04-05-2011, 08:44
So I looked at Berry’s 115gr, you can get 1000 for $84.58 but you can get Precision Delta 115gr FMJ for $74 per 1000. Which would be better and what powder.

Looks like Berrys is content pricing themselves out of the market. Precision Delta and Montanna Gold are now cheaper than Berrys!

bigleaf
04-05-2011, 08:52
I'll assume you're shooting a Glock, so steer clear of the Black moly-coated bullets or plain lead. It's too much of a pain to get that crud out of your rifling, and after a hundred rounds, you'll lose accuracy. Then, you won't be able to tell if it's you or the round, and you won't have fun at the range... you'll think you're just a bad shot.

I like the Jacketed Hollow Points and the Complete Metal Jackets because they don't have that vaporized lead smoke getting in the way of my sights (or being breathed by me or my daughter of child-bearing age, who often shoots with me.) And, overall, they're more accurate and consistent. Not sure why, but they are. Perhaps the lead can deform at the base inconsistently, while the jacket material deforms consistently.

My favorites, in order:

1) Hornady XTP 147 over 3.4 TiteGroup @ 1.10 OAL - Most accurate bullet I've ever shot out of a 26, 19, or 34. And it feels soft, so that you're back on target for the second or third shot immediately. If I could afford it, I'd only shoot this for competition or the range.

2) Montana Gold Complete Metal Jacket (CMJ) 147 gr over 3.4 TG @ 1.13 OAL - I can afford this, and it's really just as accurate, soft feeling, and quick to return to sight alignment as the Hornady. I just found the Hornady load first.

3) MG CMJ 124 over 3.9 TG @ 1.13 OAL - Only a trifle less soft shooting than the 147 and basically as accurate. They're a tad cheaper than the 147s, and if you're stocking up when you order and get a case from Montana Gold, you'll get more 124s for the same price as fewer 147s. $303.00 for 3,750 bullets by the case. That's 8 cents a piece... lots cheaper than I can buy smoky 124 FMJs locally (12 cents) The 147s are $313.00 for a case of 3,000... about 10 cents a piece.)

4) MG CMJ 124 over 3.4 grains of Bullseye @ 1.13 OAL - Nice load to shoot and plenty accurate. If you want some flashy fun shooting at night, the Bullseye has a nice big flash.

wilkersk
04-05-2011, 08:58
I get Montana Gold 115gr 9mm FMJ for ~$75/1000. 4.0 gr of TiteGroup and a COAL of 1.135" gives me a pretty consisent target round with very little muzzle flip out of my G34 and a consistent muzzle velocity just high enough to meet Production power-factor requirements with a little to spare.

teweekley
04-05-2011, 09:04
Rainier plated 124gr seated to 1.140" over 4.4-5gr of HP38/Win231 in mixed brass using CCI 500 primers. Accurate out of my G19 & G26. Chronos at 1055 out of the G19 in 60 degree weather. Meets the power floor for IDPA and knocks over steel at the local range. Pretty cost efficient for me.

JML2365
04-05-2011, 09:24
124 gr over 4.1 WST. Nice easy shooting load. Shoot this in my G17 and G26 with no problems. I have used jacketed, plated and moly coated without issues.

XDRoX
04-05-2011, 09:32
124 gr over 4.1 WST. Nice easy shooting load. Shoot this in my G17 and G26 with no problems. I have used jacketed, plated and moly coated without issues.

Have you chrono'd these rounds? I can't believe they will cycle a G26 with a jacketed bullet. For me 4.5gr, and the cases just roll out of the gun for me. These rounds must be going under 900fps:dunno:
I've never seen published data that low for WST.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/data.jpg

cderk
04-05-2011, 09:55
I just started using Frontier 147g CMJ bullets with 4.7g of Power Pistol with OAL of 1.14. Seems to be pretty accurate to me. I think I purchased the bullets for $65/750

-cd

Shadetreeman
04-05-2011, 10:18
I get Montana Gold 115gr 9mm FMJ for ~$75/1000. 4.0 gr of TiteGroup and a COAL of 1.135" gives me a pretty consisent target round with very little muzzle flip out of my G34 and a consistent muzzle velocity just high enough to meet Production power-factor requirements with a little to spare.

Sounds good, I have shot the MG 124 CMJ but with 231 and HS-6 under it. They seem to be a good bullet for the money. Thanks for the input.

Flipz
04-05-2011, 13:33
Target Load 9mm


Sometimes the target is a Cape Buffalo... you're gonna need a bigger gun. :whistling:


Jack

Jacks right,

Ive been in the middle of a herd of over 300+ Cape Buffalo. I gotta say, it made me feel really small.

As for my 9mm target load:
124gr MG FMJ RN
Unique 4.7gr's
Win SPP
OAL 1.150

fredj338
04-05-2011, 16:10
Powder is the cheapest part of any pistol handload. Keep that in mind, choose a powder based on what performance you want, not because it saves you 3/10 of a penny per round.:upeyes:
Full power loads are best run w/ medium burners (Unique, WSF, etc), light loads w/ fast burners (WST, W231, AA#2, etc).

shotgunred
04-05-2011, 16:18
4.4gr of Universal with a 124gr Raineer. Over the crono it runs in the neighborhood of 1125fps for a power factor of 137.

WiskyT
04-05-2011, 16:28
I use 4.0 Bullseye and a 124 grain Lead round nose and have had good results.( in a Sig P225) I had a few FTFs with 3.5 and it felt kinda puny.

3.5 runs my G17 (stock) no problem. When I get above 3.5, I get leading with my soft bullets and the shallow Glock rifling. 975fps with 3.5 and the gun will run. If I want more veolicty, 5.2 Unique does about 1150.

The 3.5 load runs in several Glocks I tried it in. My buddy tried it in his 226 and it wouldn't cycle the slide. I was a little surprised. That is until I took his gun and field stripped it, put a few drops of CLP on the rails, and put it back togeather. The gun ran several mags with no problem after that and threw the brass about 5 feet. Not exactly +P+ to be sure, but the gun did run once it had a little maintenance.

There's nothing wrong with using 4.0, but you might be able to try the lighter loads again with a little lube.

rhino673
04-05-2011, 19:10
3.5 runs my G17 (stock) no problem. When I get above 3.5, I get leading with my soft bullets and the shallow Glock rifling. 975fps with 3.5 and the gun will run. If I want more veolicty, 5.2 Unique does about 1150.

The 3.5 load runs in several Glocks I tried it in. My buddy tried it in his 226 and it wouldn't cycle the slide. I was a little surprised. That is until I took his gun and field stripped it, put a few drops of CLP on the rails, and put it back togeather. The gun ran several mags with no problem after that and threw the brass about 5 feet. Not exactly +P+ to be sure, but the gun did run once it had a little maintenance.

There's nothing wrong with using 4.0, but you might be able to try the lighter loads again with a little lube.

Thanks. I do lube the Sig up pretty good. It has been the best load that I've used so far. I've not seen excessive leading but it could be because I'm a little anal about cleaning it everytime it's been to the range.
I'm almost out of my LRN bullets though and am thinking of going with a plated one. Not a big difference in price and alot cleaner to load and to shoot.

WiskyT
04-05-2011, 19:15
Thanks. I do lube the Sig up pretty good. It has been the best load that I've used so far. I've not seen excessive leading but it could be because I'm a little anal about cleaning it everytime it's been to the range.
I'm almost out of my LRN bullets though and am thinking of going with a plated one. Not a big difference in price and alot cleaner to load and to shoot.

If you're buying your bullets, they are almost certainly harder than mine. That, combined with the deeper rifling in a SIG will resist leading better than my Glock. 4.0 is still a relatively light, comfortable load, so it should shoot well.

chemcmndr
04-05-2011, 20:59
My load is Berry's 124 grain with 7.9 gr. AA#7, CCI 500's, and an OAL of 1.135". It works well in all of my 9mm's from my Glocks, to Sigs, to MP5's.

PCJim
04-05-2011, 22:30
The 3.5 load runs in several Glocks I tried it in. My buddy tried it in his 226 and it wouldn't cycle the slide. I was a little surprised. That is until I took his gun and field stripped it, put a few drops of CLP on the rails, and put it back togeather. The gun ran several mags with no problem after that and threw the brass about 5 feet. Not exactly +P+ to be sure, but the gun did run once it had a little maintenance.

There's nothing wrong with using 4.0, but you might be able to try the lighter loads again with a little lube.

Thanks. I do lube the Sig up pretty good. It has been the best load that I've used so far. I've not seen excessive leading but it could be because I'm a little anal about cleaning it everytime it's been to the range.

If you're buying your bullets, they are almost certainly harder than mine. That, combined with the deeper rifling in a SIG will resist leading better than my Glock. 4.0 is still a relatively light, comfortable load, so it should shoot well.

Keep your Sigs very well lubed if you're using them as a range gun, to the point that it seems overly excessive. They'll run better, and you'll reduce the wear on the protective finish. When used as a carry gun, they (hopefully) won't see the continuous firing as they will at the range. Lube very lightly so you don't ruin a holster or clothing.

I'm still getting some leading with my favorite bullets, .3565 sized 125gr LCNs, in my P226. I've about given up on trying to eliminate it at the range, instead directing my attention to it with some Chore Boy on the cleaning bench.

JML2365
04-06-2011, 03:05
Have you chrono'd these rounds? I can't believe they will cycle a G26 with a jacketed bullet. For me 4.5gr, and the cases just roll out of the gun for me. These rounds must be going under 900fps:dunno:
I've never seen published data that low for WST.
http://members.cox.net/chrismosteller/data.jpg
I have not chronographed these rounds (I don't own one yet). I have no problem knocking down steel at GSSF matches or the local USPSA shoots. I have tried 3.7 gr WST with my G26 and had a stoppage due to my thumb riding the slide and stopping it from fully cycling with the light load. 4.1WST is my standard load. I use it for Moly coated and plated along with jacketed. I started using jacketed then switched to Moly and plated and I am now back to jacketed. I have gone up to 4.6 WST but slowly worked my way down to 4.1.

WiskyT
04-06-2011, 17:40
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I'm still getting some leading with my favorite bullets, .3565 sized 125gr LCNs, in my P226. I've about given up on trying to eliminate it at the range, instead directing my attention to it with some Chore Boy on the cleaning bench.

Try a bigger bullet. MY G17 runs 0.358 no problem. I don't know what powder you are using, but if it's a fast one, back the load down or go to a slower powder.

PCJim
04-06-2011, 20:05
Try a bigger bullet. MY G17 runs 0.358 no problem. I don't know what powder you are using, but if it's a fast one, back the load down or go to a slower powder.

Whisky, I'm pretty sure its maily caused by the BE thats backing them. I'm still working down a 56Kgr jug of the stuff. Will try some WSF or Unique and see how they respond. Then again, when you're shooting outdoors on the edge of the Great River of Grass, the smoke produced with the combination is a lifesaver against the condor sized skeeter that abound. I'd rather spend 30 seconds pushing some Chore Boy thru the barrel than hopping around like a one legged man in a stump jumping contest, trying to keep those blood suckers at bay. :cool: